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Everything you wanted to know about Compact Fluorescent Bulbs, including the mercury problem
KnoxViews ^ | 5 May 2007

Posted on 05/05/2007 11:18:00 AM PDT by John Jorsett

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To: syriacus
Perhaps we should have tried higher wattage bulbs

Exactly. I've replaced every 60 W incandescent in my house with a 100 W equivalent CFB. I use less total power and get brighter lighting. And the CFB's won't weld themselves into the socket because of their lower heat output. Also the high daylight CFB's mentioned earlier kept my plants very green all winter.

61 posted on 05/05/2007 1:17:52 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Pray for the deliberately ignorant.)
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To: John Jorsett
If our math is correct... the CFL will cause 14mg of mercury pollution over its lifetime as compared to 42mg of mercury pollution for an equivalent number of incandescent bulbs

It would appear it is not correct.

And even this is over stated. In both examples the calculation is based on 100% coal power generation. Coal provides less than half the electrical power in the US. When using realistic numbers for American power generation, the CFL causes more mercury pollution.

62 posted on 05/05/2007 1:25:07 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: John Jorsett
Really and truly, I never wanted to know anything about them. Still don't.
63 posted on 05/05/2007 1:29:06 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: P-40

That’s exciting. Have you tried any of them?


64 posted on 05/05/2007 1:31:49 PM PDT by Lady Jag (A positive attitude will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.)
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To: JasonC

And yet you still clicked on, then posted on, the thread...


65 posted on 05/05/2007 1:32:37 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Indeed, precisely to register my standing contempt for those who take any green nonsense seriously...
66 posted on 05/05/2007 1:33:31 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: John Jorsett

“Plus, we should take pollution controls wherever we can get them. ‘

Sadly, that’s the enviro mantra. What the reporter should have said was we should take pollution REDUCTION wherever we can get it -— if it is economically feasible.


67 posted on 05/05/2007 1:35:05 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Lady Jag
Yes, quite a few of them and am about to order some more. Mostly we have been using them in office buildings and in emergency lighting.

If the LEDs were promoted as heavily as the CFLs I suspect that the prices of LEDs would drop really fast.
68 posted on 05/05/2007 1:35:35 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

C’mon, 8,000 hours is like 333 days running constantly. It lasts six or seven months of using them 4-8 hours per day. That’s way, way short of the mark. If they say 8,000 hours, they should deliver 8,000 hours. At the very least they should deliver 6,500 hours. So, like assuming 7 months at 30 day/month and 8 hours of use per day I got about 1700 hours. How is that even close? It’s something like 22% of the promised life.

Plus after reading about the clean up at Junk Science I don’t know that the hassle of an accident is something I want to put up with. So the false advertising and the potential for poisoning myself tells me that this isn’t the right technology.

I have more then that one bulb but I don’t think I’ll be buying anymore. Sometimes I drop things, I don’t want to spend $2,000 or have to put on a hazmat suit to clean it up.


69 posted on 05/05/2007 1:37:13 PM PDT by Duke Nukum (I wish the world was a newt!)
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To: JasonC

They were promoted here long before ‘green’ became the fashion...but just to cut power consumption and delay the construction of new power plants.


70 posted on 05/05/2007 1:38:00 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: JasonC; John Jorsett
But we should not ignore this nonsense when promoted. The results often cost us.

Canada Joins Australia in Banning Incandescent Bulbs: Will California Be Next?

Light bulb ban revise, A proposal to ban incandescent light bulbs by 2016 has been revised by its author, Rep. Pricey Harrison, a Greensboro Democrat.

NY lawmaker wants to ban filament lightbulbs

To answer the earlier question concerning conservatives response, I believe the above actions explain why...

71 posted on 05/05/2007 1:39:45 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: undeniable logic

It’s a very expensive bulb.

Do you like being cheated? Do I have to be cheated like this to want to save a little money?

Plus, like I say in the other post, I don’t want to wear a hazmat suit or spend $2,000 on clean up.

It’s bad enough I have a very dangerous bulb to get rid of now. I don’t really appreciate that hassle. They should pay me.

So, your undeniable logic is it’s okay to cheat people?


72 posted on 05/05/2007 1:40:54 PM PDT by Duke Nukum (I wish the world was a newt!)
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To: John Jorsett

Good post!


73 posted on 05/05/2007 1:41:00 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: P-40

Do you feel their stated lumens are accurate?

Thanks for the tip. I’m going to try one or two.


74 posted on 05/05/2007 1:42:45 PM PDT by Lady Jag (A positive attitude will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.)
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To: mewzilla
That's all I need to know about CFBs.

I dropped my garage and basement workroom flourescents into the garbage container in the garage then just hit them with a hammer..............I think I'm scheduled to die next week.

75 posted on 05/05/2007 1:42:57 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (How do I remove carbon footprints from my carpeting?)
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To: Yaelle
LOL! Great story and while not as good as your's here's mine:

Time: 14 years ago

Place: Military housing on base

Situation: Husband got new assignment. I'm cleaning the house and packing up stuff. Haul all the junk down to the curb -- albeit neatly -- to be picked up garbage man. One of the items was a gallon just with about maybe 2-3" of paint in it.

So, I'm in the house washing down the kitchen cabinets when suddenly someone's pounding at the door:

***BAMB...BAMB...BAMB!!!***

Wondering what the heck is going on I go to the door. Standing there is a middle-aged, bantam rooster of a bureaucrat. The conversation goes like this:

Him (pointing): That your trash out there?
Me (looking, wondering what the heck is going on. Is it on fire or something?): Yes.
Him (stern): Come with me. I wanna show you something.
Me: Ah...okay.

We go to the neatly stacked pile of garbage by the curb. With a stabbing motion he points to the can of paint.

Him: Do you know disposing of paint in the trash is a felony?
Me: It's only a little bit of paint. I got it from (base) housing (supply). It..."
Him: It's a felony.

Folks, I came this close to being a smart mouth and replying "Oh, you mean like shooting a judge??" But, in a sudden, unexpected burst of common sense, I didn't.

The story ends with him lecturing me how I had to dispose of it, where I had to take it, what forms I needed, &c. &c. I took the can of paint -- upon which, apparently, the fate of all mankind hinged -- kept it in the hall closet for a couple of days.

Then I drove to the back of chow hall, and tossed the ^%$#@ can of paint in one of their huge dumpsters.

--The End--

76 posted on 05/05/2007 1:48:39 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Lady Jag

You can buy them in different spectra. Mine have one similar to the sunlight (Megaman Nature Color). They give an amazing light.


77 posted on 05/05/2007 1:49:05 PM PDT by avid
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To: uglybiker
Nope. But you are starting to see LED lights more and more.

LED's make an excellent light source. You see them now in many car brake lights and flashlights. I've read notebook computers as well as LCD TV's will be switching from fluorescent backlights to LED's. LED's seem to have all the advantages of low energy consumption, long life, and no heat production. The only downside is cost, but that will come down as usage ramps up.

78 posted on 05/05/2007 1:56:00 PM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: Lady Jag

I think they are pretty accurate. What was most of concern to me was color temperature. For general use I like about 3500k but for reading I like about 4500k. If you are picky about that sort of thing you’ll want to check that. :)


79 posted on 05/05/2007 1:56:02 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Duke Nukum
I don’t want to wear a hazmat suit or spend $2,000 on clean up

There is no point in doing so.
80 posted on 05/05/2007 1:57:01 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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