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Everything you wanted to know about Compact Fluorescent Bulbs, including the mercury problem
KnoxViews ^ | 5 May 2007

Posted on 05/05/2007 11:18:00 AM PDT by John Jorsett

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To: Lady Jag
and the color it emits gives a morgue atmosphere.

One place NEVER to put them is in your bathroom or dressing room. Never put them near your mirrors where you get ready. It will ruin women's self-esteem! LOL.

21 posted on 05/05/2007 11:45:53 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: mewzilla
The CFL mercury nightmare [break a compact fluorescent, face $2000 in cleanup costs] That's all I need to know about CFBs.

Here's a different take on that story from Snopes.

22 posted on 05/05/2007 11:48:22 AM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: John Jorsett

I think it’s a safe assumption light bulbs will be thrown in the trash and not recycled, unless, of course, all bulbs are properly registered and the buyers’ backgrounds are checked.


23 posted on 05/05/2007 11:49:02 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: John Jorsett
"What the critics forget to mention, however, is that coal-fired power plants are a major source of mercury pollution."

I keep seeing this to which I respond "how many people have coal fired power plants in their house?" Nobody I know.

My power comes from hydroelectric so this doesn't apply to me.

24 posted on 05/05/2007 11:49:44 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: John Jorsett

Here’s my prob: According to my local guys, they’ll take ‘em whole, but not broken. If I break one, what the heck do I do? Feh.


25 posted on 05/05/2007 11:52:41 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: syriacus

I agree with your observations.

No CFL made that claims “100W equivalent” is even close to the useful light output of a 100W incandescent. The lower wattages are even worse. You MUST plan to insert a bulb of higher wattage than the manufacturers claim. I have found that often I have to have two of these turned on where one incandescent would have sufficed.

They are a terrible item to use in such places as closets and other locations when the time per on/off cycle is low. Not only is the warm up time for them very significant to get up to even the measly output claimed, but there is a substantial decrease of bulb lifetime per cycle.

They are a total disaster when used in places that get cold: garage/ porch/ attic/ basement - you get hit five times as hard on the “warm up time” and one bulb is never useful where when you had been able to use one incandescent. My experience suggests that the lifetime gets hit even harder in places which are cool, and lifetime suffers the double whammy of cold start & short cycles.

I’ve kept track of their lifetime. Not once has CFL bulb achieved even close to the lifetime claimed - even when the light was kept on constantly.

I use them in several places in my house, but I believe that for most applications, incandescent bulbs are far better. I have many places in my home that I’ve never replaced an incandescent since they are on so seldom. Suggesting that people owning new houses replace a $0.40 bulb with a $3.00 bulb in many places throughout their home represents a ridiculous waste of resources.


26 posted on 05/05/2007 11:54:05 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Yaelle
It will ruin women's self-esteem!

They make you look like you've lost your circulation.


27 posted on 05/05/2007 11:56:05 AM PDT by Lady Jag (A positive attitude will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.)
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To: yoe; claudiustg

So, now the conservative thing is to trash low-energy lights?

Remembering what happened to the price of R-12 A/C refrigerant for the existing stock after the clean-air act, the conservative thing just might be to go buy 50 bucks worth of 60/75/100 watt incandescents now while they can still be had for 30 cents apiece.


28 posted on 05/05/2007 11:56:17 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: claudiustg

I use them where they make sense. They don’t make sense for most of the lighting locations in my home. You are free to use them where you see fit.

I believe that is what most conservatives would say about this issue.

I invite correction.


29 posted on 05/05/2007 11:56:27 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: AFPhys

We are living in the scam generation.

Do they use CFLs in Hybrid cars?


30 posted on 05/05/2007 11:58:16 AM PDT by Lady Jag (A positive attitude will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.)
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To: syriacus
At one point we replaced most of our incandescent bulbs with the compact fluorescent bulbs.
* They were dimmer * They took a while to attain their full brightness after they were turned on,
* They didn't last as long as we expected
Perhaps we should have tried higher wattage bulbs or a different brand.

Our earlier ones (from several years ago) were like yours. But the newer ones are much better, and most of ours are now CFLs.

31 posted on 05/05/2007 12:00:54 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Lady Jag
Nope. But you are starting to see LED lights more and more.

In a few years, LEDs will be ready for general purpose lighting.

32 posted on 05/05/2007 12:06:55 PM PDT by uglybiker (relaxing in a cloud of quality, aromatic, pre-owned tobacco essence)
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To: AFPhys

We’ve been using the things for about 7 years now, and I can’t really think of one thing to complain about. The savings we see are certainly not a hoax. By the way you can get the bulds at Costco for about half what they are most places.

My wife recently recommended them to a large family with a 5 bedroom house. Their electric bill was eating them up. After replacing all their bulbs their bill was cut almost in half.

Funny, the things seem to work OK in my garage, but then I live in the banana belt of NW Montana.


33 posted on 05/05/2007 12:06:58 PM PDT by claudiustg (I curse you, Rudy of the Giuliani!)
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To: John Jorsett

Hardly any objectivity in this article. Comparing mercury in bulbs to coal fired plants is a stretch to say the least. May as well compare the mercury manufacturing the bulbs as well.

Pray for W and Our Troops


34 posted on 05/05/2007 12:07:50 PM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both Enemies of America)
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To: Lady Jag

You are right: this is a scam generation.

After reading the “$2000/ cleanup” article, I just had yet another thought, regardless of the truth of that article:

Suppose you were selling your home and the prospective owner for some reason or other decided they wanted it tested for mercury? If you had broken a CFL there, I suspect it highly likely they would find it “over the limits”...

What then?

I can see this is could cost people ... many people ... big time.


35 posted on 05/05/2007 12:08:11 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: sionnsar
Our earlier ones (from several years ago) were like yours. But the newer ones are much better, and most of ours are now CFLs.

I noticed a difference between the ones I put in my living room almost two years ago and the one I put in my bathroom a couple of weeks ago.
36 posted on 05/05/2007 12:09:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: Lady Jag
Their lumen rating is highly optimistic, they don’t last as long as claimed, and the color it emits gives a morgue atmosphere. I kept trying the bulbs and went back to the old fashioned ones.

This brand a more natural spectrum - Ott-Lite.com.

They are more expensive that the competition, but the light they produce is better than any other fluorescent or incandescent bulb I've tried.

37 posted on 05/05/2007 12:11:27 PM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: claudiustg
OH: I agree that where they are appropriate, they save energy.

However, I have never left lights on all over the house when I’m out of the room. I’ve trained my family to turn them off, too.

If someone’s lighting bills are eating them up, perhaps they ought to consider turning lights off where they don’t need them.

Use CFL’s in the kitchen (if you get one that you can stand the color) and in the living room (if you decide it is fine to turn on another light or two) and in the study where you read for a couple hours at a time. However, where you’re only going to be for five or ten minutes, use incandescents and turn them off when you’re done!

38 posted on 05/05/2007 12:14:10 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: patton

Where the warm cuddles are
The light travels slower
As it shifts down to yellow


39 posted on 05/05/2007 12:24:23 PM PDT by leda (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: John Jorsett
I replaced all the lightbulbs in my house to the Home Depot brand CFLs. So far so good.


40 posted on 05/05/2007 12:24:43 PM PDT by LFOD777 (In 2006, Washington spent $2.7 Trillion and ran a $248 billion budget deficit.)
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