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To: fanfan
I believe some of us may possess a highly refined sense of logic, much of which operates subconsciously, and my be able to draw conclusions based on extended projections of cause and effect.

If I (or anybody else, for that matter) push my coffee cup over the edge of my desk, I can 'foresee' that it will fall to the floor. I'm not really predicting the future, just making logical conclusions based on known facts. Perhaps some people just have an extended capacity for projecting the likely outcomes of a known set of facts and circumstances....

11 posted on 05/05/2007 8:13:00 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Joe 6-pack

I think you’re on the right track there .


12 posted on 05/05/2007 8:17:45 AM PDT by sonic109
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To: Joe 6-pack; sonic109

I am exactly right on the same thoughts as you on this.
One can actually “predict” the future based on their knowledge and experience
of knowing what “happens” to “A” when you tinker with “B”.
Do weather forcasters “predict the future”?


31 posted on 05/05/2007 8:41:47 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Joe 6-pack
I believe some of us may possess a highly refined sense of logic, much of which operates subconsciously, and my be able to draw conclusions based on extended projections of cause and effect.

I agree with you that this has an awful lot to do with it.

38 posted on 05/05/2007 8:45:35 AM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: Joe 6-pack

Not quite the same a seeing your one year old child in a dream 2 years before he was born.


55 posted on 05/05/2007 9:16:11 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Joe 6-pack
If I (or anybody else, for that matter) push my coffee cup over the edge of my desk, I can 'foresee' that it will fall to the floor. I'm not really predicting the future, just making logical conclusions based on known facts. Perhaps some people just have an extended capacity for projecting the likely outcomes of a known set of facts and circumstances....

Well, the article is a little breathless, so take what I say with a grain of salt. But the experiments as reported in the article would rule that out. The volunteers are shown randomly selected pictures, nice or not-nice. Their brains "wince" three seconds before they see the not-nice pictures but don't "wince" before they see the nice pictures.

If the random number generator they are using is any good, then the volunteers cannot make rational predictions about the next picture.

That said, I would want to see this experiment replicated by a completely different group of researchers before I give it much more than a "ho-hum, that's interesting."

85 posted on 05/05/2007 11:22:18 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Joe 6-pack
I believe some of us may possess a highly refined sense of logic, much of which operates subconsciously, and my be able to draw conclusions based on extended projections of cause and effect.

Along these same lines, it's occurred to me that when I throw a ball, for example, I am performing a highly complex calculus and instructing a myriad of muscles to carry out the results of that calculus, and I'm doing it without even conciously thinking about it. The same thing could be happening.

One little paranormal piece has always intrigued me. It's when you're thinking about calling someone on the phone and then it rings and it's the person you were thinking about calling.

103 posted on 05/05/2007 12:43:48 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Joe 6-pack

The ability to extrapolate past trends may indeed account for some reported incidents of premonition, but there are also very real reported instances of premonitions associated with the human spirit, separate from the human soul or rationalism or even the bodily senses.

Some suggest these predetermined events are influencable by our thinking, decisions and behavior. Meanwhile, other instances suggest they might be foreordained regardless our influence.

Here is an example.

I had a great, great aunt who apparently had a spiritual gift from God the Holy Spirit to dream some events before they occurred, such as deaths in the family. When her niece married, she attended the wedding reception and made quite a scene, demanding her niece and husband not go on their honeymoon. They had tickets to go on a Carribean cruise, but Auntie had a dream wherein she saw the newlywed husband fall into the ocean, sink, and she could see through his eyes of his decent and drowning in the ocean as he looked up into the sky from beneath the waves. She therefore, was very incessant to the family at the wedding that they not go on their honeymoon cruise.

Everybody at the wedding apparently looked at one another thinking, “yeah, grandma, sure, whatever you say,..” but to her insistence, they promised not to go.

Well, time wore on and the later in the month when their cruise date approached, the niece acquiesced to not go from the insistence of her husband so as not to create bad relations within the family. Now the husband attended a weekly poker game. That week, his poker buddies decided they would go deep sea fishing the next day and tried to get the newlywed husband to join them.

He declined, mentioning that he would never be able to live it down if he went deep sea fishing on the same week he was canceling his honeymoon cruise so as not to go to sea. One of his buddies though took advantage of the situation and offered to take his spot on the deep sea fishing trip if he would fill in for him at the volunteer fire department that week.

The young husband concurred figuring it would help obligate him so he and his newlywed wife wouldn’t be tempted to do anything else to go to sea.

That week as the young man took the other’s post as a volunteer fireman, a call came in to go down to the wharf and put out a fire on a freighter, but not much of a threat, but seemed to be smoldering. They responded as the first team with some 30 others, all from the Monsanto plant nearby.

The ship they met at the wharf was the Grandcamp, docked in Texas City in April 16th, 1947, later known as the first blast in the Great Texas City Explosion. The young man wasn’t found after the explosion, but his body washed ashore about a month later and was identified from dental records. It appears he was either blown out to the Gulf at the first explosion and/or further carried by the tidal wave shortly thereafter.

What was sortof interesting about this premonition, is that seemingly no matter what one did to avoid the intended fate, the result still occurred.


108 posted on 05/05/2007 1:26:34 PM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Perhaps some people just have an extended capacity for projecting the likely outcomes of a known set of facts

Like not wanting to get on a plane that is going to crash...

148 posted on 05/05/2007 6:18:04 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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