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Is this REALLY proof that man can see into the future?
The Daily Mail ^ | 4th May 2007

Posted on 05/05/2007 8:00:52 AM PDT by fanfan

Do some of us avoid tragedy by foreseeing it? Some scientists nowbelieve that the brain really CAN predict events before they happen

Professor Dick Bierman sits hunched over his computer in a darkened room. The gentle whirring of machinery can be heard faintly in the background.

He smiles and presses a grubby-looking red button.

In the next room, a patient slips slowly inside a hospital brain scanner. If it wasn't for the strange smiles and grimaces that flicker across the woman's face, you could be forgiven for thinking this was just a normal health check.

But this scanner is engaged in one of the most profound paranormal experiments of all time, one that may well prove whether or not it is possible to predict the future.

For the results - released exclusively to the Daily Mail - suggest that ordinary people really do have a sixth sense that can help them 'see' the future.

Such amazing studies - if verified - might help explain the predictive powers of mediums and a range of other psychic phenomena such Extra Sensory Perception, deja vu and clairvoyance. On a more mundane level, it may account for 'gut feelings' and instinct.

The man behind the experiments is certainly convinced. "We're satisfied that people can sense the future before it happens," says Professor Bierman, a psychologist at the University of Amsterdam.

"We'd now like to move on and see what kind of person is particularly good at it."

And Bierman is not alone: his findings mirror the data gathered by other scientists and paranormal researchers both here and abroad.

Professor Brian Josephson, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist from Cambridge University, says: "So far, the evidence seems compelling. What seems to be happening is that information is coming from the future.

"In fact, it's not clear in physics why you can't see the future. In physics, you certainly cannot completely rule out this effect."

Virtually all the great scientific formulae which explain how the world works allow information to flow backwards and forwards through time - they can work either way, regardless.

Shortly after 9/11, strange stories began circulating about the lucky few who had escaped the outrage.

It transpired that many of the survivors had changed their plans at the last minute after vague feelings of unease.

It was a subtle, gnawing feeling that 'something' was not right. Nobody vocalised it but shortly before the attacks, people started altering their plans out of an unspoken instinct.

One woman suffered crippling stomach pain while queuing for one of the ill-fated planes which flew into the World Trade Center.

She made her way to the lavatory only to recover spontaneously. She missed her flight but survived the day. Amid the collective outpouring of grief and horror it was easy to overlook such stories or write them off as coincidences.

But in fact, these kind of stories point to an interesting and deeper truth for those willing to look.

If, for example, fewer people decided to fly on aircraft that subsequently crashed, then that would suggest a subconscious ability to divine the future. Well, strange as it seems, that's just what happens.

The aircraft which flew into the Twin Towers on 9/11 were unusually empty. All the hijacked planes were carrying only half the usual number of passengers. Perhaps one unusually empty plane could be explained away, but all four?

And it wasn't just on 9/11 that people subconsciously seemed to avoid disaster. The scientist Ed Cox found that trains 'destined' to crash carried far fewer people than they did normally.

Dr Jessica Utts, a statistician at the University of California, found exactly the same bizarre effect.

If it was possible to divine the future, you might expect those at the sharp end, such as pilots, to have the most finely tuned instincts of all. And again, that's just what you see.

When the Air France Concorde crashed in 2000, it wasn't long before the colleagues of those killed in the crash spoke about a sense of foreboding that had gripped the crew and flight engineers before the accident.

Speaking anonymously to the French newspaper Le Parisien, one spoke of a 'morbid expectation of an accident'.

"I had this sense that we were going to bump into the scenery," he said.

"The atmosphere on the Concorde team for the last few months, if one has the guts to admit it, had been one of morbid expectation of an accident. It was as if I was waiting for something to happen."

All of these stories suggest that we can pick up premonitions of events that are yet to be.

Although these premonitions are not in glorious Technicolor, they are often emotionally powerful enough for us to act upon them.

In technical parlance it is known as 'presentiment' because emotional feelings are being received from the future, not hard facts or information.

The military has long been fascinated by such phenomena. For many years the US military (and latterly the CIA) funded a secretive programme known as Stargate, which set out to investigate premonitions and the ability of mediums to predict the future.

Dr Dean Radin worked on the Stargate programme and became fascinated by the ability of 'lucky' soldiers to forecast the future.

These are the ones who survived battles against seemingly impossible odds. Radin became convinced that thoughts and feelings - and occasionally-actual glimpses of the future - could flow backwards in time to guide soldiers.

It helped them make life-saving decisions, often on the basis of a hunch.

He devised an experiment to test these ideas. He hooked up volunteers to a modified lie detector, which measured an electrical current across the surface of the skin.

This current changes when a person reacts to an event such as seeing an extremely violent picture or video. It's the electrical equivalent of a wince.

Radin showed sexually explicit, violent or soothing images to volunteers in a random sequence determined by computer.

And he soon discovered that people began reacting to the pictures before they saw them. It was unmistakable. They began to 'wince' a few seconds before they actually saw the image.

And it happened time and time again, way beyond what chance alone would allow.

So impressive were Radin's results that Dr Kary Mullis, a Nobel Prizewinning chemist, took an interest. He was hooked up to Radin's machine and shown the emotionally charged images.

"It's spooky," he says "I could see about three seconds into the future. You shouldn't be able to do that."

Other researchers from around the world, from Edinburgh University to Cornell in the US, rushed to duplicate Radin's experiment and improve on it. And they got similar results.

It was soon discovered that gamblers began reacting subconsciously shortly before they won or lost. The same effect was seen in those terrified of animals, moments before they were shown the creatures.

The odds against all of these trials being wrong are literally millions to one against.

Professor Dick Bierman decided to take this work even further. He is a psychologist who has become convinced that time as we understand it is an illusion. He could see no reason why people could not see into the future just as easily as we dip into memories of our past.

He's in good company. Einstein described the distinction between the past, present and future as 'a stubbornly persistent illusion'.

To prove Einstein's point, Bierman looked inside the brains of volunteers using a hospital MRI scanner while he repeated Dr Radin's experiments.

These scanners show which parts of the brain are active when we do certain tasks or experience specific emotions.

Although extremely complex, and with each analysis taking weeks of computing time, he has run the experiments twice involving more than 20 volunteers.

And the results suggest quite clearly that seemingly ordinary people are capable of sensing the future on a fairly consistent basis. Bierman emphasises that people are receiving feelings from the future rather than specific 'visions'.

It's clear, though, that if ordinary people can receive feelings from the future then perhaps the especially gifted may receive visions of things yet to be.

It's also clear that many paranormal phenomena such as ESP and clairvoyance could have their roots in presentiment.

After all, if you can see a few seconds into the future, why not a few days or even years? And surely if you could look through time, why not across great distances?It's a concept that ties the mind in knots, unless you're a physicist.

"I believe that we can 'sense' the future," says the Nobel Prizewinning physicist Brian Josephson.

"We just haven't yet established the mechanism allowing it to happen.

"People have had so called 'paranormal' or 'transcendental' experiences along these lines. Bierman's work is another piece of the jigsaw. The fact that we don't understand something does not mean that it doesn't happen.'

If we are all regularly sensing the future or occasionally receiving glimpses of it, as some mediums claim to do, then doesn't that mean we can change the future and render the 'prediction' obsolete?

Or perhaps we were meant to receive the premonition and act upon it? Such paradoxes could go on for ever, providing a rich seam of material for films such as Minority Report - based on a short story of the same name - in which a special police department is able to foresee and prevent crimes before they have even taken place.

Could such science fiction have a grain of truth in it after all? The emerging view, Bierman explains, is that 'the future has implications for the past'.

"This phenomena allows you to make a decision on the basis of what will happen in the future. Does that restrain our free will? That's up to the philosophers. I'm far too shallow a person to worry about that."

The problem with presentiment is that it appears so nebulous that you can't rely on it to make reliable decisions. That may be the case, but there are plenty of instances where people wished they had listened to their premonitions or feelings of presentiment.

One of the saddest involves the Aberfan disaster. This occurred in 1966 when a coal tip collapsed and swept through a Welsh school killing 144 people, including 116 children. It turned out that 24 people had received premonitions of the tragedy.

One involved a little girl who was killed. She told her mother shortly before she was taken to school: "I dreamed I went to school and there was no school there. Something black had come down all over it."

So should we listen to our instincts, hunches and dreams? Some experts believe we may already be using them in our everyday lives to a surprising degree.

Dr Jessica Utts at the University of California, who has worked for the US military and CIA as an independent auditor of its paranormal research, believes we are constantly sampling the future and using the knowledge to help us make better decisions.

"I think we're doing it all the time," she says. "We've looked at the data and it does seem to happen."

So perhaps the Queen in Through The Looking Glass was right: "It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: clairvoyance; dregonspengler; drpetervenkman; esp; paranormal; premonition; premonitions; presentiment; psychic
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To: BluH2o
Well, I’m a walking testimonial to someone who can’t see into the future ... I prove it consistently in the stock market.

I don't think we get to pick and choose which part of the future we get to see. ;-)

81 posted on 05/05/2007 11:09:52 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Very interesting link.

I hadn’t heard of that.
Thank you.


82 posted on 05/05/2007 11:14:49 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: vietvet67

Thanks Vietvet.

I’ve read about Cayce and his predictions.
Very cool.


83 posted on 05/05/2007 11:15:40 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan

I could use some help with the Derby’s superfecta.


84 posted on 05/05/2007 11:18:59 AM PDT by isom35
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To: Joe 6-pack
If I (or anybody else, for that matter) push my coffee cup over the edge of my desk, I can 'foresee' that it will fall to the floor. I'm not really predicting the future, just making logical conclusions based on known facts. Perhaps some people just have an extended capacity for projecting the likely outcomes of a known set of facts and circumstances....

Well, the article is a little breathless, so take what I say with a grain of salt. But the experiments as reported in the article would rule that out. The volunteers are shown randomly selected pictures, nice or not-nice. Their brains "wince" three seconds before they see the not-nice pictures but don't "wince" before they see the nice pictures.

If the random number generator they are using is any good, then the volunteers cannot make rational predictions about the next picture.

That said, I would want to see this experiment replicated by a completely different group of researchers before I give it much more than a "ho-hum, that's interesting."

85 posted on 05/05/2007 11:22:18 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Except = expect. Incidentally, when are we going to get the ability to edit posts on FR like every other message board has? Wait...it’s too far in the future...I can’t see it. ;)

I'd only support that if the original was left intact, perhaps with a strikeout. Otherwise, you'd see a lot of revisionism and more serious problems.

86 posted on 05/05/2007 11:25:00 AM PDT by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: ExpatCanuck
This makes me think of Karl Jung and his writings on synchronicity.

I have had perhaps six extremely compelling dreams in my life of a quality that places them separate and apart from all other dreams.

One of them occurred at about 3:00 AM one morning, I had a profound premonition of evil approaching. It was real and terrifying, without definable form or substance. I actually sensed it pass by me without its "seeing" me. I awoke in a sweat, but greatly relieved that I was safe.

That was the morning of September 11, 2001.

I do not claim to have sensed the future. I have often marveled over the incident, however.

87 posted on 05/05/2007 11:25:42 AM PDT by JCEccles (“Politics ain’t beanbag” Finley Peter Dunne)
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To: aruanan

LOL. That was a truly funny post.


88 posted on 05/05/2007 11:29:16 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: fanfan

Vuja de: The strange, inexplicable feeling that you’ve never been here before.


89 posted on 05/05/2007 11:29:43 AM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: EEDUDE

he he. Exactly. I’ve had lots of worrying, bad thoughts about stuff that has never come to fruition.

This is just so much hooey.


90 posted on 05/05/2007 11:30:05 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Aria

Okay - here I am. You said you had a question for me.


91 posted on 05/05/2007 11:31:56 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Finny

mark


92 posted on 05/05/2007 11:52:45 AM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: fanfan

My mother is the one in the family with these kinds of premonitions: The night before JFK was assasinated, she dreamed that he was shot and killed, and the dream was so intense she woke up weeping... Weird.


93 posted on 05/05/2007 11:56:55 AM PDT by ladyrustic
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To: Aria

I know what you mean.

The old “it’s all in your head” line.

Oddly enough, the people who say this may actually be right, they just don’t know it. :-)


94 posted on 05/05/2007 12:11:30 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: timsbella

I read the Gift of Fear a few years back, and I highly recommend it too.


95 posted on 05/05/2007 12:12:27 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan

There will be a great calamity here because man trusted man and not God.

-SFO


96 posted on 05/05/2007 12:14:08 PM PDT by rbosque
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To: fanfan; VRWCer
"Not quite the same a seeing your one year old child in a dream 2 years before he was born."

I'm sure that experience has a magic all it's own...I'm perfectly willing to concede that must be an extremely special experience.

What I'm talking about thought is not excluded by your experience. Certainly, your child has some of your traits, with which you've become familiar with every second of your existence. Likewise, I would contend that even if you hadn't even met your spouse at the time of the dream, you had some ideal as far as looks (and other characteristics) and very likely sought a spouse that conformed in some manner to those notions. I'm not, in any way trying to understate the miracle of your dream, and indeed, even trying to comprehend how our mind can independently connect all those dots and variables and produce an image of an as of yet unconceived child is indeed truly miraculous...

97 posted on 05/05/2007 12:18:34 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Monkey Face; NicknamedBob; Tax-chick; tuliptree76; rottndog; Soaring Feather; Darksheare; ...

Ping


98 posted on 05/05/2007 12:22:50 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: taxcontrol

time is over running matter waves in newtons of wave Force. Physicists call it the “collapse of the wave function”. Study MATTER WAVES and you’ll learn how “spooky action at a distance” comes from DeBroglie’s U=c^2/v equation. No mystery at all why future events are FELT rather than seen, yur body is your “time-eye”(decelerations/weight = W>P).


99 posted on 05/05/2007 12:27:28 PM PDT by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: Porterville

Call Mulder and Scully!


100 posted on 05/05/2007 12:31:29 PM PDT by Lawdoc (My dad married my aunt, so now my cousins are my brothers. Go figure.)
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