Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
so they prefer to use the “M” word as if it were dirty the "N" word
They showed me the bill, it came in the mail. I saw the letter telling them they were no longer baptised. This happened in the late 70’s early 80’s.
Actually polyandry WAS practiced in early Mormonism.
http://mccue.cc/bob/documents/rs.early%20mormon%20polyandry.pdf
http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3772
Joseph Smith was married to several women who were already married.
In fact Apostle Parley P. Pratt who was murdered in Arkansas was accused of polyandry and killed, by his new wife’s current husband.
<I’m sure the vast of us majority of us would agree with you politically.<
I am sorry to note that you separate yourselves from non-Mormons, (us and you) as though you are in a different class or even race, is in itself revealing. So there’s no need to say more. Thank you for the little chat.
Just because it didn't happen in your town or involve your church doesn't mean it didn't happen elsewhere. Just like all those alledged Sunday services pouting anti Mormon rhetoric, that I personally haven't heard.
Something here does not pass the smell test. There is simply no such thing as a “tithing bill,” and there never has been.
Think of it: by definition, tithing is one-tenth of the income. How would the Church “bill” for tithing with knowing the person’s income?
The LDS Church does occasionally excommunicate members; this only happens, though, to people who publicly preach against the Church, or who commit serious moral sin or serious crime. Not being a tithe payer has NEVER been a valid reason for excommunication.
I don’t know what they showed you, but I am highly skeptical.
Gee, maybe they asked them. Maybe there's a rogue church out there. Who knows, but, I know what I saw, and they were upset. I don't really care, I was just pointing out that there are good and bad in all.
Same reasons it wasn’t an issue when George Romney ran for the Republican presidential nomination in 1968: Evangelical Christians were far less organized a constituency and even less was known about Mormonism by the public and political and media establishments.
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MAKE? No one in the church makes me do anything! My spouse is Catholic. My friends are Jewish and Catholic. My underwear is none of your business though Victoria's Secret is a favorite store in our family. Our family loves sports, the arts and reading of all kinds of literature AND we enjoy associating with interesting people (religion is NOT a qualifier). Unless it's your money, don't worry about what I bury my family members in. I determine my worthiness and have been told to do so by the church. Even if what you charge is true for Mormons, why should it matter to you if you choose not to do it? Free will is alive and well in my religion.
George W. Bush is a member of the United Methodist Church, which is why Southern Methodist was selected as the site for his presidential library.
Of course it's my fault. It's always my fault!
Cordially,
George W. Bush
But in my 25 years I never was sent a bill or asked.
It has nothing to with one baptism or their journey with the Lord if they were excommmunicated it was far greater reason than that which many like to save face and not tell on themselves!
As far as preaching in other churches on the big bad Mormon how so many became aware when they fine out I am LDS and say my Church told me to be careful of the LDS for they aren’t Christian now some one is talking to the sheepo!
I’m sorry for your experience. I believe many in my family feel as you do and I did for a while myself. While I attend the LDS church, the people I associate with in my daily life are not of my faith. I appreciate them for putting up with me and love them for it — I learn much from them and thank God they’re in my life.
Did a little searching and found this. Seems to be an ex Mormon site, but, it does quote some D&C thing and gives sources. I’m not sure what is mean by losing Celestial blessings, maybe you can explain. Please tell me the ‘secret handshake and secret password are some type of joke’.
Hey, what do you, whoever runs this site had a similar problem to the people I knew years ago.
The first time, I’d been out of the church for about six or seven years. I’d married a nevermo, changed states, and never attended the ward where the bill originated.
One day I came home from work to find an envelope in my mailbox from the local ward. I was annoyed because I’d been telling them to leave me alone. My husband was pissed because they kept visiting, phoning, and sending ward newsletters as if I was a part of their cult.
Once inside the house, I opened the letter. It was from the local bishop, saying he and the other bishop-prick guys wanted 100% tithing participation. They knew I didn’t want contact and would probably not attend some stupid “settlement,” so they had prayed and decided to ask for a minimal amount of tithing, something like $200. I turned over the letter and wrote back that I was not mormon and wanted them to leave me alone and sent it back.
A year later, I received a similar bill. Mormons can be such weird fanatical zealots. They actually think they can force some “Lord” in the sky to manipulate a person they don’t know or care about into paying money to a detestable organization, one so bad as to pull a stunt like this one.
http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_tithing.html
Mormons are required by Commandment of God to pay 10% of all their GROSS income to the LDS church. This includes all income, including, employment, social security, Medicare, foodstamps and trust funds and any other form of income, even including finding money on the ground.
The Church Of Jesus-Christ of Latter-Day Saints brings in an estimated 6.5 to 7.0 billion dollars a year in annual tithing revenues. The Church refuses to disclose to the public or its members how much money it receives annually and what those funds are used for. Because the LDS Church is a tax-exempt organization, it does not have to publicly disclose financial books.
In 2005 the LDS Church purchased two shopping malls in Downtown Salt Lake City for $500 million dollars. The Church plans to spend $1 billion dollars renovating them. In official statements from LDS Church, the Church claims that not one dollar of member tithing funds went into the deal.
Mormons are required to attend a Tithing Settlement with the Bishop each year. A member is questioned in a one-on-one interview with the Bishop to ensure the member is paying a full 10%. Those members who are not paying a full 10% loose their temple recommends and are prevented from entering the Temple.
Mormons who loose their temple recommends are in serious jeopardy of loosing their Celestial blessings. A Mormon who does not pay tithing cannot enter the temple. If a member cannot get into the temple, the member cannot learn the secret handshake, secret password, secret “new name” and special sealings. Without these, the member will be unable to pass Joseph Smith and the angels who guard the entrance to the Celestial Kingdom.
Mormons are commanded that tithing must come first before anything else. Utah has the highest rate of banrkuptices in the United States. Mormons often are told “I cannot pay my bills until I’ve paid my tithing.” Mormons will even pay their tithing rather than give the money to a relative who is on the verge of eviction. Mormon published magazines (Ensign, New Era) constantly stress that tithing must always be paid.
Mormons are told: “if a destitute family is faced with the decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing.” (Lynn Robbins, General Conference, April 2005).
Mormons who have not paid tithing will be denied a temple recommend and will be considered “unworthy”. However; Mormons who pay “back-tithing” (some as much as $5000 or more) are instantly found to be worthy and can receive their temple recommends back once the money has been paid.
Mormons who claim that tithing is purely “a personal choice” are deceiving themselves and outright lying.
The transcripts of General Conference talks are now available. This is the title of a talk from Saturday afternoon by Lynn Robbins who says:
Among those who do not sacrifice there are two extremes: one is the rich, gluttonous man who won’t and the other is the poor, destitute man who believes he can’t. But how can you ask someone who is starving to eat less? Is there a level of poverty so low that sacrifice should not be expected or a family so destitute that paying tithing should cease to be required?
One reason the Lord illustrates doctrines with the most extreme circumstances is to eliminate excuses. If the Lord expects even the poorest widow to pay her mite, where does that leave all others who find that it is not convenient or easy to sacrifice?
No bishop, no missionary should ever hesitate or lack the faith to teach the law of tithing to the poor. The sentiment of “They can’t afford to” needs to be replaced with “They can’t afford not to.”
One of the first things a bishop must do to help the needy is ask them to pay their tithing. Like the widow, if a destitute family is faced with the decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing.
Sorry it really is my vision sometimes it is squinty and blurry for me and other days are ok!
I apologized CC and Geo shame on you to have such thoughts!
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