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To: tantiboh

Did a little searching and found this. Seems to be an ex Mormon site, but, it does quote some D&C thing and gives sources. I’m not sure what is mean by losing Celestial blessings, maybe you can explain. Please tell me the ‘secret handshake and secret password are some type of joke’.

Hey, what do you, whoever runs this site had a similar problem to the people I knew years ago.

The first time, I’d been out of the church for about six or seven years. I’d married a nevermo, changed states, and never attended the ward where the bill originated.

One day I came home from work to find an envelope in my mailbox from the local ward. I was annoyed because I’d been telling them to leave me alone. My husband was pissed because they kept visiting, phoning, and sending ward newsletters as if I was a part of their cult.

Once inside the house, I opened the letter. It was from the local bishop, saying he and the other bishop-prick guys wanted 100% tithing participation. They knew I didn’t want contact and would probably not attend some stupid “settlement,” so they had prayed and decided to ask for a minimal amount of tithing, something like $200. I turned over the letter and wrote back that I was not mormon and wanted them to leave me alone and sent it back.

A year later, I received a similar bill. Mormons can be such weird fanatical zealots. They actually think they can force some “Lord” in the sky to manipulate a person they don’t know or care about into paying money to a detestable organization, one so bad as to pull a stunt like this one.

http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_tithing.html

Mormons are required by Commandment of God to pay 10% of all their GROSS income to the LDS church. This includes all income, including, employment, social security, Medicare, foodstamps and trust funds and any other form of income, even including finding money on the ground.

The Church Of Jesus-Christ of Latter-Day Saints brings in an estimated 6.5 to 7.0 billion dollars a year in annual tithing revenues. The Church refuses to disclose to the public or its members how much money it receives annually and what those funds are used for. Because the LDS Church is a tax-exempt organization, it does not have to publicly disclose financial books.

In 2005 the LDS Church purchased two shopping malls in Downtown Salt Lake City for $500 million dollars. The Church plans to spend $1 billion dollars renovating them. In official statements from LDS Church, the Church claims that not one dollar of member tithing funds went into the deal.

Mormons are required to attend a Tithing Settlement with the Bishop each year. A member is questioned in a one-on-one interview with the Bishop to ensure the member is paying a full 10%. Those members who are not paying a full 10% loose their temple recommends and are prevented from entering the Temple.

Mormons who loose their temple recommends are in serious jeopardy of loosing their Celestial blessings. A Mormon who does not pay tithing cannot enter the temple. If a member cannot get into the temple, the member cannot learn the secret handshake, secret password, secret “new name” and special sealings. Without these, the member will be unable to pass Joseph Smith and the angels who guard the entrance to the Celestial Kingdom.

Mormons are commanded that tithing must come first before anything else. Utah has the highest rate of banrkuptices in the United States. Mormons often are told “I cannot pay my bills until I’ve paid my tithing.” Mormons will even pay their tithing rather than give the money to a relative who is on the verge of eviction. Mormon published magazines (Ensign, New Era) constantly stress that tithing must always be paid.

Mormons are told: “if a destitute family is faced with the decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing.” (Lynn Robbins, General Conference, April 2005).

Mormons who have not paid tithing will be denied a temple recommend and will be considered “unworthy”. However; Mormons who pay “back-tithing” (some as much as $5000 or more) are instantly found to be worthy and can receive their temple recommends back once the money has been paid.

Mormons who claim that tithing is purely “a personal choice” are deceiving themselves and outright lying.

The transcripts of General Conference talks are now available. This is the title of a talk from Saturday afternoon by Lynn Robbins who says:
Among those who do not sacrifice there are two extremes: one is the rich, gluttonous man who won’t and the other is the poor, destitute man who believes he can’t. But how can you ask someone who is starving to eat less? Is there a level of poverty so low that sacrifice should not be expected or a family so destitute that paying tithing should cease to be required?

One reason the Lord illustrates doctrines with the most extreme circumstances is to eliminate excuses. If the Lord expects even the poorest widow to pay her mite, where does that leave all others who find that it is not convenient or easy to sacrifice?

No bishop, no missionary should ever hesitate or lack the faith to teach the law of tithing to the poor. The sentiment of “They can’t afford to” needs to be replaced with “They can’t afford not to.”

One of the first things a bishop must do to help the needy is ask them to pay their tithing. Like the widow, if a destitute family is faced with the decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing.


658 posted on 05/05/2007 7:57:53 PM PDT by Netizen (If we can't locate/deport illegals, how will we get them to come forward to pay their $3,250 fines?)
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To: Netizen; tantiboh

hint hint tell me what goes on in the temple...

Why should you care Netizen, it seems you are only impertinently curious which the Lord frown upon that of behavior.


661 posted on 05/05/2007 8:14:03 PM PDT by restornu (Elevate Your Thoughts!)
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To: Netizen; tantiboh
Mormons are told: “if a destitute family is faced with the decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing.” (Lynn Robbins, General Conference, April 2005).

No bishop, no missionary should ever hesitate or lack the faith to teach the law of tithing to the poor. The sentiment of “They can’t afford to” needs to be replaced with “They can’t afford not to.”

When one understands the need of tithing it is more than paying the money it is a way of keeping the Lord in one thought’s when they are tempted to live beyond their means.

You are forced to focus on the Lord and lean on him to build that spiritual muscle.

When one really ponders it, they are learning to make the mental transition of living in the Celestial kingdom someday.

If our thoughts are not bridled they will not instantly switch over after you die for it is a discipline.

So it is true “They can’t afford not to.” If is their goal is to live with Heavenly Father someday.

Mormons who have not paid tithing will be denied a temple recommend and will be considered “unworthy”. However; Mormons who pay “back-tithing” (some as much as $5000 or more) are instantly found to be worthy and can receive their temple recommends back once the money has been paid.

I have had a struggle with tithing early in my life and really never understood the full lessons to be learn from it, I just knew the precept but not understood the principal.

This year for the first time in my life I took the time to study it because I wanted to understand the law of consecration, which some LDS have been practicing this law on their own for years. As I studied it I realized right than that a even a poor person could not afford not to practice it.

I am the type of person that is motivated by the Lord to do things or I am not that much into it. I was watching the BYUTV online and one day there were these talks on the Law of consecration and I was pleasantly surprised to have a glimpse into that world enough to cause me to do research on it. It truly is a sacred ordinance and a bountiful blessing

Mormons who claim that tithing is purely “a personal choice” are deceiving themselves and outright lying.

Yes it is a personal thing because it is between you and your Lord and he knows our hearts and minds and that reasoning it is selfish etc.

Is there a level of poverty so low that sacrifice should not be expected or a family so destitute that paying tithing should cease to be required?

One reason the Lord illustrates doctrines with the most extreme circumstances is to eliminate excuses. If the Lord expects even the poorest widow to pay her mite, where does that leave all others who find that it is not convenient or easy to sacrifice?

No bishop, no missionary should ever hesitate or lack the faith to teach the law of tithing to the poor. The sentiment of “They can’t afford to” needs to be replaced with “They can’t afford not to.”

One of the first things a bishop must do to help the needy is ask them to pay their tithing. Like the widow, if a destitute family is faced with the decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing.

We are free agents and to decide hopefully it will be to keep one covenants they made with the Lord.

To think that the poorest can’t pay their tithing or starve is a myth for there is the Bishop storehouse which one can get food until they become solvent. This enables one to take the opportunity to learn how to walk with the lord yes some use it as a free ride but they will pay dearly in the end on judgment day if they did not grow like in the parable of the Ten Talents.

673 posted on 05/05/2007 9:03:40 PM PDT by restornu (Elevate Your Thoughts!)
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To: Netizen
"Did a little searching and found this. Seems to be an ex Mormon site, but, it does quote some D&C thing and gives sources. I’m not sure what is mean by losing Celestial blessings, maybe you can explain. Please tell me the ‘secret handshake and secret password are some type of joke’."

Some of what you listed from the site is true, some is not.

I was really surprised, though, that Joseph Smith has apparently taken over for Saint Peter.

The bit about the "secret handshake and secret password," like all good fabrications, is based on a grain of truth. It would be inappropriate to go into detail on a public forum like this, but that phrase is a reference to certain ordinances performed in the Temple. The accusation, though, is a joke.

It is true that a person who is not a full tithe payer cannot receive a temple recommend.

The letter thing could have happened on an isolated case; some bishop may have gotten a wild hare and decided it was a good idea to send out such letters. I've never heard of it happening, and such a "billing" practice is not sanctioned by the Church.

As for the development in Salt Lake, if I understand correctly, that's essentially an urban renewal program in the Temple Square area that the LDS Church is taking part in. That part of the city is getting pretty old; the LDS Church feels it a duty to help the community renew it. I don't understand why our detractors find this so disturbing. Here's another news story about it: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,650196045,00.html

As for: "Mormons are commanded that tithing must come first before anything else." That is essentially accurate. We teach that paying your tithing is a commandment whereby we exercise faith. An exercise of that faith will result in both spiritual and temporal blessings. Stories abound of people who pay tithing first, despite the expectation that they won't be able to make ends meet, then some unexpected development occurs whereby they have enough. It's a counterintuitive effect, but those who live by the law (including myself) swear by it.

To accept it, though, you have to accept that God actually keeps His promises, such as in Malachi 3:8-10.

In any case, the Church will not let a faithful member go hungry; we have a welfare program that is efficient, effective, and envied by many. It is what the federal welfare program should have been.

Between the church buildings, temples, and other benefits I receive from the way the LDS Church spends tithing funds, I'm satisfied that I'm getting my money's worth. Churches aren't free. You might drop the money into a basket; we choose to write a check instead.

Besides, it's tax-deductible. :-)

As for: "Mormons who claim that tithing is purely “a personal choice” are deceiving themselves and outright lying." Of course it's a personal choice. Every act of obedience is a personal choice. You don't want to do it, then don't do it. I find a great deal of personal spiritual benefit from choosing to obey.

This has been kind of a discombobulated response. Let me know if I failed to respond to your satisfaction.
730 posted on 05/06/2007 12:57:02 AM PDT by tantiboh
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To: Netizen
Did a little searching and found this. Seems to be an ex Mormon site,

You really should go to the Ford dealership if you want info on a Mustang. Picking up the literature on the Chevy Camaro won't tell you all the facts that the other car dealer has. If what you really want is a Camaro, then buy it, but the Mustang facts are at the dealer and out there with all the happy mustang drivers worldwide. OK, that's my parable for the night...

970 posted on 05/06/2007 10:38:56 PM PDT by sevenbak (A LIE travels around the world while the TRUTH is still putting on its boots -Winston Churchill)
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