Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
Mrs. Dobson (National Day of Pray) would not permit the Mormons to pray. Now that’s pretty darn pitiful.
One time my husband was in a prayer circle at the California Republican Assembly and when it was his turn to pray, they passed him over.
How sad.
“the importance of the family, love of country, pro-life, and generally most practicing Mormons are very conservative”
I appreciate your saying that. Thank you.
“This is the year 2007”
Are you saying the life and writings of Joseph Smith are too far removed to be assailable in their detail (such as the Kirtland Banks scam)? That would be absurd; for example the daily life and times of Thomas Jefferson are not so far removed that we don’t often make judgments about his peccadilloes and their impact on current law.
“The Mormon holy underwear is for a temple ceremony.”
I believe you are to wear them daily if you get to be a uppity up. At least that’s what the Temple Mormon I was a partner with told me. I am about to turn him in for tax evasion.
It doesn't give me pause at all. President Bush put Michael Leavitt (a Mormon) in his cabinet in charge of the biggest allotment of the federal budget. Do you honestly think he's funneling part of those funds to the LDS Church because of an oath he took to consecrate and sacrifice?
Puuleeeeeease!!!!
Watch out all you baby boomers, Mike Leavitt is goign to send your SS checks to Salt Lake....
He flunks orthodox Christianity as it exists today, but certainly not early historic Christianity.
DU, care to come out and play?
He flunks orthodox Christianity as it exists today, but certainly not early historic Christianity.
DU, care to come out and play?
Please see post about Health and Human Services Sec. Mike Leavitt, biggest budget office on the Government. You are talking about money after all, so put your money where you mouth is.
Also, here is a quick list of Mormon politicians, past and present:
http://famousmormons.net/pol.html
Well, he did say last night that OBL would die!
“You can reform Judaism, but you can’t just dessimate it and recast it so that you can no longer recognize it upon reading the Old Testament! When a presidential candidate believes that me, Joe Voter, is an apostate of my faith, I not only don’t apologize for being “riled up” over that false assertion, but it gets my gall that so many evangelicals, Protestants and Catholics can just lay there, sleepy-eyed, and conclude, “More abuse! Fire away! (I’ll vote for you, anyway).””
Yeah, I sent you FReepmail explaining it. At least I think it sent...(just wanted to make sure you weren’t offended) :)
Pull out your Pearl of Great Price...Joseph Smith - History, and go down to verse 19:
"I was answered that I must join none of them [churches], for they were all awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt."
This is LDS "scripture" of the First Vision. This is the foundational basis of the LDS faith.
Are you telling me that Mitt denies this? He doesn't believe this account of the First Vision?
Mitt can believe anything he wants to about you (but why would he bother), but you would never know it unless he said so.
I have my own opinions about your posting history on this and other Mormon related threads, but you can't possible fathom what thoughts about you are going through my mind. ;-)
(1) Well, if they were as one group praying directly to Jesus, then perhaps out of sensitivity for your husband, they didn't want to make him feel uncomfortable. [LDS doctrine being that LDS leaders say Mormons should only pray to Heavenly Father in Jesus' name, not directly to Jesus himself]
(2) Ensign Magazine, the LDS mag, has already said that LDS worship another God than do Christians. So, that being the case, what's wrong with Christians saying the same thing? (That they pray to another Jesus?) 2 Cor. 11:4 says there is "another Jesus"
(3) Finally, let me ask you, would you draw the line at letting anybody lead your group in prayer? Would you let a Scientologist, or a Moonie lead your group in prayer? Bottom line is, if you set boundaries yourself for who you would let lead your family, your small group, etc. in prayer, then why do you balk when you see others do it?
Are all "traditional" Christian Churches the same to God in your opinion?
I have prayed my head off with people of other faiths - holding hands yet. For God’s sake!!
I posted a prayer request on FR when my husband was having his cancer battle. I welcomed all the FReeper prayers and I did not pick and choose.
I guess you wouldn’t want me praying for you.
This sounded like a governmet meeting prayer. I spend a lot of time at the Utah Capital during the legislative session. I can't tell you how many times I have seen various denominational leaders and congregants lead those meetings in prayer. It is with reverence and respect that they are all treated.
“Mitt can believe anything he wants to about you (but why would he bother),”
That’s right, because he’s gonna be a GOD! So he doesn’t have to care.
Now, if I claim I am going to be a God, and don’t give a horse’s patoot what you think, will you vote for me for president?
“I have my own opinions about your posting history on this and other Mormon related threads, but you can’t possible fathom what thoughts about you are going through my mind. ;-)”
Sure I can, you hate my guts.
But don’t hate me for bringing up magic underwear, the Whitehorse Prophecy, Kirtland Bank $3 dollar bills signed by Joseph Smith, crystal gazing, masonic secret handshakes, baptizing the dead, Kolob, Jewish American Indians, secret rites, and a hundred other bizarre doings. It isn’t like I invented that stuff, that’s the history and beliefs of current Mormons. I don’t have to make them look foolish, they are doing that plenty well on their own - you are just mad that I’m pointing out the obvious.
Now is about when you call me a bigot. And I sure am - for example I am bigoted against people who believe 2 + 2 = 5 (my how they scream at me for calling them idiots). You will no doubt call me bigoted for saying anyone who follows a religion based on Egyptian hieroglyphic readings and the prophecy of a crystal gazer don’t have their noggins tied on straight. I will leave it up to you to decide how much sleep I will lose over that defamation of my character.
You know, in all these threads many have assailed my character, but damn few have even tried to say what I was writing about LDS religious beliefs wasn’t founded on Mormon doctrine or direct experience with Mormons. Well, if I am not a liar, then perhaps what stirs up the hornet’s nest is that I strike too near the truth of Mormon behavior.
“Finally, let me ask you, would you draw the line at letting anybody lead your group in prayer?”
I believe in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I believe Heavenly Father hears my prayers and we always pray “In the Name of Jesus Christ”.
I have prayed for FReepers and they have prayed for me.
What? (Ya think LDS only practice this deep, hushed, inwardly esoteric kind of spirituality?)
WHISPERED: [I'll help ya out...it's...it's called a public "profession of faith." And, believe it or not, professions of faith tend not to be tucked away on chicken scratch deep inside someone's soul. (As a matter of fact, I would say that the word "testimony." has probably been on the tip of somebody's tongue if you were to check w/your fellow ward & stake folks)]
Let me give you an example: The "testimony" might include something to the effect that "I believe that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God."
And of course, Joseph's johnny-come-lately description (written years after the BoM) of his first spiritual encounter with unnamed "personages" is the foundation for any Mormon's profession of faith. Pull out your Pearl of Great Price...Joseph Smith - History, and go down to verse 19:
"I was answered that I must join none of them [churches], for they were all awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt."
There ya go: LDS "scripture" of the First Vision. Now, do you think Mitt denies this revelation from Joseph Smith? Are you hinting to anyone here that Mitt's taken his pen and drawn a line thru his Pearl of Great Price?
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