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They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious Bigotry, alive and well today
Saundra Duffy

Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy

They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious bigotry, alive and well today

May 4, 2007 - by Saundra Duffy-Hawkins

“I wouldn’t vote for a Mormon for dogcatcher, much less President of the United States!” There’s a lot of that kind of hateful rhetoric going around since Mitt Romney decided to throw his hat in the ring – as if Mormons are some kind of hideous evil monsters. The loudest anti-Mormon shouts, sad to say, are coming from America’s so-called “Christian right”. How can Mitt Romney hope to get a fair shake in this spiritually polluted atmosphere?

There was another man running for President who faced the same dilemma – John F. Kennedy – only he was the target of anti-CATHOLIC bigotry. In his 1960 speech to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association, JFK said the following: “. . .I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end - where all men and all churches are treated as equal - where man has the same right to attend or not attend the church of his choice - where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind - and where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their words in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood.” John F. Kennedy Library & Museum (Speeches, 1960). By the way, if you listen to the audio version of JFK’s speech, you will hear the hurt and frustration in his voice and the unfair treatment surely must have caused many a sleepless night.

Fast forward to 2007 where JFK might as well have been “whistlin’ Dixie”. The hostility toward Mormons today, in my opinion, is even worse than that suffered by JFK. Although it is said that JFK lost about a million votes to religious intolerance, Romney stands to lose even more if the anti-Mormon evangelicals hang together.

According to Media Matters for America - “. . . a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media” - FOX News is not reporting accurately on the level of evangelical hostility to the Romney run. Media Matters for America points out that among evangelical leaders rejecting Mormons: Shirley and James Dobson (National Day of Prayer and Focus on the Family, respectively), the Southern Baptist Convention (collectively), Pat Robertson (Christian Broadcasting Network), and Dr. D. James Kennedy (Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Florida). “Among many conservative evangelicals – who comprise a significant part of the Republican base – Mormonism is considered an un-Christian cult.” Media Matters for America (2007)

While stumping in Florida, a man in the audience stood up during the Q&A portion and said the following to Romney: “You, sir, you’re a pretender. You do not know the Lord. You’re a Mormon.” Media Matters for America (2007). This is the kind of un-American, disrespectful treatment Mitt Romney will apparently have to endure throughout the entire campaign – as if just being a Mormon is reason enough to open the floodgates for free flow of pent-up hatred and vindictiveness.

For the record, the Mormon bashers know full well that the official name of Romney’s church is “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” and the members should rightfully be called “members of the LDS Church” but the words “Mormon” and “Mormonism” have an aura of negativity so they prefer to use the “M” word as if it were dirty.

Less than five minutes cruising around the official LDS website (LDS.org) will show anyone who’s interested that the Church is a Christian organization, with Jesus Christ at the Head. There are no paid clergy – all are volunteers. Humanitarian aid is legendary. Members of the LDS Church believe in strong family values; they are patriotic, they are law-abiding upstanding citizens of their community. Many LDS young men right out of high school go on two-year missions – you know, the guys on bikes – and during their mission they don’t date, read newspapers, go to movies or watch TV; but rather they dedicate two years of their lives to serving others. Many women go on missions as well, and couples, only theirs is 18 months in length but the obligations are basically the same. Most members do not shop or go out to eat on Sundays – reminiscent of the good old days when shops and stores were closed in obedience to the Commandment, “Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy”. If they can help it, LDS Church members do not work on Sundays, either, preferring to spend the day at church and with their families. Church members are encouraged to store up a year’s supply of food and water so they will be able to care for their families in the event of an emergency. The LDS Church believes in self-sufficiency and self-reliance but in the event of a financial hardship the Church distributes food and supplies through their welfare (Bishop’s Storehouse) program. Members of the LDS Church do not drink alcohol nor do they use illicit drugs; they do not drink coffee and tea. A Mormon in good standing, therefore, will not be found in a drunken stupor puking her guts out at 3 a.m. anywhere in the world. Furthermore, members of the church are encouraged to dress modestly, be polite and courteous. And members of the LDS Church are faithful tithe payers. Come on, people, what’s not to love?

So what on earth is their beef, the anti-Mormon zealots? Why is there such disdain for the LDS Church and its members? In Hugh Hewitt’s book, “Mormon in the White House?” he states his thesis that the fierce anti-Mormon sentiment among main-stream Christians stems from one or two or all three of the following factors (in order of importance):

1) “It is just too weird.

2) “A Mormon president will supercharge Mormons’ missionary work.

3) “If there is a Mormon in the White House, Salt Lake City will call the shots, at least on the biggest issues.” Hewitt (2007, p. 221-227)

Hugh Hewitt has written an exquisite book about the Romney campaign and overcoming the “Mormon problem.” It’s a good read and I highly recommend it. Of the three problem points listed in the previous paragraph, Hewitt believes – unless some unforeseen blunder destroys his chances – none of the three is insurmountable for Mitt Romney. (Plus, he has the best hair.)

Well, I’m no Hugh Hewitt, not even close; he’s an icon on the conservative radio talk show circuit. Hewitt could talk circles around me (I’ve seen him in action in Sacramento); he’s brilliant; he’s well educated, well read, no doubt a genius, plus he’s kind of cute. I’m basically a “nobody” – an overweight grandma – but after having researched for this paper, I have come to a totally different conclusion as to why there is such in-your-face angst over Romney’s religion of choice: It’s all about money, power and control (in that order). I think they’re (the evangelical religious bigots, that is) scared half to death and are revving up their attacks, not to save souls, but to save their reputations (which if tarnished would lead to financial ruin).

As I said, all one must do is browse around the LDS official web site to see what the LDS Church believes and stands for. Any reasonable person would conclude that Mormons are not evil monsters at all. In fact, they are God fearing, Christ believing, Holy Ghost following people going about doing good. “You will know them by their fruit” and the LDS has plenty of fruit and they are willing to share.

Earlier, I stated that some high-powered ministries have publicly condemned Mormons: Shirley and James Dobson, the Southern Baptist Convention, Pat Robertson, and Dr. D. James Kennedy – just to name a few. There are hoards of others. Sunday after Sunday, preachers, evangelists, reverends and ministers from all Christian denominations pound the pulpit with anti-Mormon rhetoric. I heard the message loud clear when I was a Baptist and when I tiptoed through evangelical/Pentecostal territories. Was I ever miffed when I later learned for myself the Gospel truth about the LDS Church.

Just think about it, please. If Dr. D. James Kennedy, for example, who wrote the book, The Wolves Among Us, were to admit he’d been wrong in labeling the LDS Church a “cult” that leads unwary ignorant people astray (to hell), what would become of his multi-million-dollar ministry? Suffice it to say, there’s big money to be had by sale of books, tapes, CD’s, videos, and other anti-Mormon propaganda, not to mention speaking engagements and world-wide religious crusades. We’re talking trillions, all told. I realize the anti-Mormon aspect of these ministries is but a small portion of the business, but if the truth came out, that they had been using falsehoods about the LDS Church as a cash cow, their entire empires could tumble.

The ABC News program 20/20 aired on March 23, 2007, exposed the lavish lifestyles of some of the top evangelical preachers – million dollar mansions and personal jets. ABC News - 20/20 (2007) (Again, the LDS Church has no paid clergy.)

It’s nothing new. Severe harassment and persecution has been the lot of the LDS Church since it’s inception in 1820 when a 14-year-old boy named Joseph Smith saw visions and communed with heavenly beings. Rather than discuss the spiritual aspects of the LDS Church, however, let’s stick to facts of history. Taken from a college-level early American history textbook, Joseph Smith, upon experiencing the visions and visitations, believed “that God had work for me to do, and that my name should be for good and evil among all nations, kindreds and tongues.” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 292). The textbook continues, “They were met with hostility virtually everywhere they went . . . . As the movement gathered momentum, hundreds of people joined the church; entire congregations of churches of other faiths joined . . .” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 293)

During the dark time of American history when slavery was flourishing and when Native Americans were forced from their lands, the pioneers of the LDS Church also suffered at the hands of unscrupulous politicians, governmental leaders, and angry hate-filled mobs. “In the face of relentless persecution, Joseph Smith, the founder of the church, had led his flock to Illinois. There they had established the town of Nauvoo, which by the mid-1840’s had become the largest city in Illinois with over 15,000 people. . . In June 1844, a mob of non-Mormons broke into the jail where Smith was being held and killed both him and his brother. . .The Mormons abandoned Nauvoo in the spring of 1846 as anti-Mormons pounded the town with cannon, destroying the Great Temple. In a well-coordinated migration, 15,000 Mormons moved in stages to the Great Salt Lake.” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 334-335) Many walked all the way and many died along the way, including innocent babes.

Joseph Smith at one time was tarred and feathered by a mob. No jury, no trial, no judge – and they had planned to castrate him, too. On October 27, 1838, the then governor of Missouri issued an “extermination order”: “The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary . . .” Far West History (n.d.) Please note that the order called for exterminating “Mormons” making no distinction between men, women and children, and indeed women and children were subject to the extermination order.

In an event known in LDS history as “the Haun’s Mill Massacre”, precipitated by the extermination order, 30 to 40 LDS families were surprised by some 200 to 250 militia. After the smoke cleared, seventeen LDS people lay dead including a ten-year-old boy. Thirteen LDS members were wounded including a woman and a seven-year-old boy. “A few Missourians returned the next day and took plunder.” LDS FAQ (n.d.) No Missouri militiamen were killed but three were wounded. Just a few years earlier, the LDS folk who died that day had been members of other churches - Congregational or Methodist or Baptist or Presbyterian.

In l976, Governor Bond of Missouri officially rescinded the extermination order and presented apologies for the “unfortunate developments” it caused. Quoting from Governor Bond’s Executive Order: “WHEREAS, Governor Boggs’ order clearly contravened the rights to life, liberty, property and religious freedom as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, as well as the Constitution of the State of Missouri; and . . . Expressing on behalf of all Missourians our deep regret for the injustice and undue suffering rescind Executive Order Number 44 dated October 27, 1838, issued by Governor W. Boggs. . .” Far West History (n.d.) The individuals who harassed, abused, and even murdered Mormons in cold blood were never tried for their crimes.

I read Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s Letter from Birmingham Jail and it really touched my heart. There he was, suffering for the Lord in jail, and these religious leaders with highfalutin titles on the outside wrote an open letter (“A Call for Unity”) in which they criticize King’s tactics and basically blame King for the racial turmoil of the time. Though you can tell King is upset and hurt by the attack – made worse because he’s stuck in jail and can’t confront the religious leaders face-to-face – his response is gentle genius. “I wish you had commended the Negro sit-inners and demonstrators of Birmingham for their sublime courage, their willingness to suffer, and their amazing discipline in the midst of great provocation. One day the South will recognize its real heroes.” Barnet and Bedau (2005, p. 881)

King has a few choice words for the Church, too: “If today’s church does not recapture the sacrificial spirit of the early church, it will lose its authenticity, forfeit the loyalty of millions, and be dismissed as an irrelevant social club with no meaning for the twentieth century. Every day I meet young people whose disappointment with the church has turned into outright disgust.” Barnet and Bedau (2005, p. 880)

King signs off with “Yours for the cause of Peace and Brotherhood”.

There’s an eerie commonality between what JFK and MLK endured at the hands of the religious bigots of their day and what Mitt Romney is facing today. I hope and pray that Romney will be able to fend off these undeserved attacks from the religious hypocrites with the same grace, dignity and God-inspired resolve displayed by the other two.

A few popular bumper stickers read: “Honk if you love Jesus” and “Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven” or “Jesus is my co-pilot”. Yet, apparently, these same bumper-sticker Christians are the ones waging war against Mitt Romney’s run for the Presidency solely on the basis of his chosen faith in a Church that bears the name of the Savior of the world.

References

ABC News - 20/20 (2007). Philanthropic donations come from your heart, but where do they end up? Ex-money manager says "enough!" to secretive Christian Ministry spending. Glenn Ruppel & John Stossel. United States: ABC News.

Ayers, E. L., Gould, L. L., Oshinsky, D. M., & Soderlund, J. R. (2004). American Passages - a history of the United States - Volume I: to 1877 (2nd ed.). Belmont, California: Thomson/Wadsworth.

Barnet, S., & Bedau, H. (2005). Letter from Birmingham Jail. Current Issues and Enduring Questions - a guide to critical thinking and argument, with readings (7th ed., pp. 867-882). Boston and New York: Bedford/St. Martin's.

Far West History. (n.d.). The Extermination Order and how it was rescinded. Retrieved April 28, 2007, from http://www.jwha.info/mmff/exorder.htm

Hewitt, H. (2007). A Mormon in the White House? 10 things every American should know about Mitt Romney. Washington, D.C.: Regnery Publishing, Inc.

John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum. (1960, September 12). Address of Senator John F. Kennedy to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association. Retrieved April 22, 2007, from http://www.jfklibrary.org

Lds Faq. (n.d.). What was the Haun's Mill Massacre? Retrieved April 28-2007, 2004, from Brigham Young University Web Site: http://ldsfaq.byu.edu/view.asp?q=57

Media Matters for America. (2007). Fox News whitewashes evangelical hostility to Romney's faith. Retrieved April 22, 2007, from http://mediamatters.org/items/printable/200702280002


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To: Saundra Duffy
Saundra, I am a Roman Catholic and Mitt Romney's Mormonism is to his credit. Each and every Mormon I have known in Young Republicans and College Republicans and Young Americans for Freedom generally has been a pleasure to know. I had not known that you are a Mormon but you know I have the highest respect for you personally on general principles and it is certainly not diminished one bit by your religious faith. I am not acquainted with Mitt Romney but his Mormon faith and the standing of the Romney family within that faith are to his credit as well.

I prefer Fred Thompson as a candidate for a variety of reasons. If Mitt Romney were nominated, however, he would certainly get my vote.

Mitt Romney has to convince "religious right" voters that he is trustworthy on abortion, marriage and homosexuality.

His own marriage speaks very well for him. He and his wife seem as devoted to one another as one might expect of a Mormon couple. There has never been a hint of scandal about his marriage to the best of my knowledge.

On abortion and homosexuality, there is no doubt as to the Mormon opposition to both but Mitt has waffled a bit years ago in debates with Ted the Driver and John the Traitor on abortion. Ronaldus Maximus signed a very permissive abortion bill as California governor and was forgiven for it. Mitt Romney can be forgiven as well but it takes special effort. I don't know enough about Mitt Romney's positions on "gay" "marriage" or "civil unions" to offer an opinion but he should make special efforts to make sure that we know where he stands.

The only recent negative about Romney that I am aware of is Romney's Massachusetts health care plan.

Where is Romney on guns?

Bigotry against Mormons as Mormons is inconsistent with American traditions. It is shameful. It ought to be unacceptable within the GOP and within the US. As a Catholic, I am not indifferent to the serious doctrinal differences between Mormonism and Catholicism but I also shall not allow those differences to blind me to the many great virtues of Mormons and Mormonism.

In any event, it is good to see you posting as ever. May God bless you and yours.

261 posted on 05/04/2007 12:26:31 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: MEGoody

Sorry, won’t take the bait. The oath speaks for itself.


262 posted on 05/04/2007 12:27:35 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I'm proud to be a FREDHEAD. Run Fred Run!)
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To: Colofornian; Saundra Duffy

You are correct. I thought I had pinged her also. Honest! Don’t want to break the rules.
Saundra, ping to my post #253.


263 posted on 05/04/2007 12:30:55 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I'm proud to be a FREDHEAD. Run Fred Run!)
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To: DesScorp
Then we've got more than our fair share here

Sad but true. . .FR has its share of loons.

264 posted on 05/04/2007 12:31:22 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Whoa, right there!

I live in Las Vegas, and it's not far from here.

I've visited the massacre site.

I know the history.

There were investigations post-massacre, and people leaked the story afterwards--some of the younger children, who were forcibly adopted into Mormon families, spoke of it, and there was a federal investigation. The history is known. Don't try to throw smoke over bloody history.

For those of you who don't live in the area, I think you might want to know this: The plaques that are replaced there at regular intervals, commemorating the event, are vandalized by Mormons who do not want the rest of us to know what they say. They can't keep a plaque on the Mountain Meadows Massacre site for very long.

Whole families--including women and very young children--were attacked...and wiped out.

I didn't raise this issue, but when I see historical revisionism rear its ugly head, it will not go uncorrected and unchallenged.

There. Truth is out, a small piece at a time.

Sauron

265 posted on 05/04/2007 12:31:41 PM PDT by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: greyfoxx39
Sorry, won’t take the bait.

In other words, you can't answer the question. Just what I expected.

266 posted on 05/04/2007 12:32:08 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Colofornian

I take no issue with believers. I’ve made that statement before on this very forum. Myself, I’m agnostic.

As far as recognizing that it is very important to others, absolutely, and I really have no problem with that. To quote and recast a phrase from a no longer often seen freeper - I’m a non-evangelical agnostic.


267 posted on 05/04/2007 12:33:16 PM PDT by dmz
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To: sauron

I enjoyed your home page.


268 posted on 05/04/2007 12:34:40 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I'm proud to be a FREDHEAD. Run Fred Run!)
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To: JRochelle
>>“Sunday after Sunday, preachers, evangelists, reverends and >>ministers from all Christian denominations pound the pulpit >>with anti-Mormon rhetoric.”

>>That is a damn lie!

>>I have attended church all my life, the only church who was >>ever disparaged in any service I have ever attended was the >>Baptist church.

>>You are so misinformed its ridiculous.

I have never even heard the word "Mormon" spoken in my church. We talk about Jesus and His way for us, not Mormons.

269 posted on 05/04/2007 12:38:59 PM PDT by free_life
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To: colorado tanker
Who is the "true God" of your test? Only people within your denomination? If not, which denominations? Catholics OK? Unitarians? Mormons? How about Jews?

Well, God is not simply one who can be "found" [I can understand someone saying "I found Christ," but it's a little harder to comprehend when they say it about our Father in heaven]. We lost ones are the ones to be found, illuminated and brought into the light.

He must reveal Himself. He must reveal Himself to people. When God revealed Himself to Moses, He didn't arrive minus a "signature" so to speak. He left Moses His personal Name: "I am that I am" (Yahweh)--the Personal Self-Existent One.

Now, by comparison, study the official "first vision" of Joseph Smith. No such signature. We don't know exactly who these "personages" are that appeared to Smith. No names are given, other than one refers to the other as his son. (Likewise, Muhammad was visited by some personage in a cave. Who was this personage?)

Most importantly, God revealed Himself through a babe in Bethlehem, who in turn revealed Himself post-ascension to a man named Saul, who wrote most of the NT as a revelation.

So you ask which God matches the test?

As I review the Biblical scriptures, I see content consistency, especially when you consider how diverse the folks are who wrote it. (I mean you write getting a shepherd, a king, a tax collector, a doctor, some fishermen--men of all socio-economic stripes--and recruit them for them couple thou yrs--and then ask them to write on the most important spiritual and other topics in life...and then just see how random & disunified that would be). So that tells me that the God of these Biblical characters (versus say the God of the Quran or the God of Doctrine & Covenants or the Alien master beings say of Urantia) is the One to be prayerfully in alignment with.

Dr. Luke, in the Book of Acts, said that the Bereans were more "noble" because they searched the (OT)scriptures to see if what was said was true." (In other words, they searched the newer revelations by the older ones).

So, in this way we can compare newer revelations like the Quran to the older ones. If they don't line up, we need to reject it if we are to be Biblically noble. Same is true of the Book of Mormon and the D&C & the Pearl of Great Price, this latter one, for example, which proclaims that a "council of gods" exist out there. If the Bible doesn't mention a council of true gods, then if we are Biblically noble, we reject it.

Now you also mention various Christian denominations. I don't see them as different faiths; but rather, one faith...a diversity in unity like the God we serve. As for unitarians, they don't believe in a diversity in unity--only the unity. So, again, I compare their view to the older revelation. If a unitarian president would not pray to Christ, for example, then He's leaving out the creator of the universe to call upon (John 1; Colossians 1; Hebrews 1).

270 posted on 05/04/2007 12:40:09 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: MHGinTN

I’m pleased to read that. I didn’t necessarily agree with your earlier position... and knowing how logical and intelligent you are, I was concerned if I had missed something that you had found.

I agree that if Romney is the nominee, it will be like handing the keys to the WH to Hillary.

That is the reason why I think he will never be the nominee.


271 posted on 05/04/2007 12:42:07 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Life isn't fair. It's just fairer than death, that's all.--William Goldman)
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To: colorado tanker
In previous post, there was a typo...it should read (corrected word in italics): I mean you try getting a shepherd, a king, a tax collector, a doctor, some fishermen--men of all socio-economic stripes--and recruit them for them couple thou yrs--and then ask them to write on the most important spiritual and other topics in life...and then just see how random & disunified that would be).
272 posted on 05/04/2007 12:45:36 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: MEGoody

You no goody, you baiting fishhawk. Bwahahaha, nice try, but no soup for you!


273 posted on 05/04/2007 12:45:59 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: dmz

Don’t duck, I like to tweak people by pointing out that the Lord is mentioned in the constitution on the Signatory page (Article VII)


274 posted on 05/04/2007 12:47:10 PM PDT by Boston Blackie
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To: dmz
agnostic

you don't sound like, say, a hard-core agnostic, then?

(Defined as someone who believes that "no one" can know if there's a god...vs. one who applies this belief in personal terms only, and doesn't project it beyond themself)

275 posted on 05/04/2007 12:48:31 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
OK, if I understand your test, you would vote for most Christians, but not a Mormon and maybe a Unitarian if he prayed to Christ. How about a Jewish candidate for President?
276 posted on 05/04/2007 12:51:40 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Afronaut
How many Mormons are voting for Romney just because he is a Mormon? Are they "loons" also?

It depends on the reasoning. For example, they might say to themselves, there is all this ignorant intolerance of Mormons out there. If a Mormon were to be elected president, probably a lot of that would disappear. I'm sure many Catholics thought something similar about Kennedy.

277 posted on 05/04/2007 12:56:00 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: sportutegrl
"....Nobody likes to be accused of being prejudiced. I hated when pundits accused Louisianans of being racist for not voting for Bobby Jindal for Governor. (I actually think Blank-O stole the election.)...."

You got that right!! And Landrieu stole her seat too! Thanks to the corrupt democrat machine, particularly in NOLA!

Don't know enough about Mitt to say I would or would not support him. My vote will be won by the person who best represents my views on the major issue of the times.

So far, none of the Rep candidates have impressed me. The dems, on the otherhand, scare me. Most are just plain shallow and dumb, others are downright dangerous. It is a long time until election day, patience grasshoppers!
278 posted on 05/04/2007 1:11:59 PM PDT by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: MEGoody; MHGinTN
In other words, you can't answer the question. Just what I expected.

I posted this:

Romney made this vow as part of a mormon temple ritual: "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

Now, just what was the question again?

279 posted on 05/04/2007 1:43:23 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I'm proud to be a FREDHEAD. Run Fred Run!)
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To: colorado tanker
OK, if I understand your test, you would vote for most Christians, but not a Mormon and maybe a Unitarian if he prayed to Christ. How about a Jewish candidate for President?

Well, first of all, I haven't ruled out voting for a Mormon. (You'll note that at least on the prayer issue, and on another thread, the issue of presidential discernment, I DO make a huge distinction between a Mormon candidate for president and a Mormon candidate for other offices)

Secondly, we never vote (or not vote) for someone in a vacuum. In this way, I respect folks who are genuinely wrestling w/who to vote for come Fall of '08. (I have, to be frank, less respect for those who are outright pushing Mitt for the primaries in '08).

Would I vote for a Jew? If he is a practicing Jew, I would assume he prays to the same God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob...a God, by the way, who is Trinitarian even if not perceived that way by such a president.

Prayer in the oval office in a crisis is not the only presidential consideration of a faith nature.

If a president shows he/she is vulnerable to deception in the most important area of his/her life (his/her faith), then what does that say about his/her discernment skills in every other aspect of that person's life?

Also, in terms of foreign policy & national security issues, if a person cannot properly define what true Christianity is, then on what basis do we expect him/her to properly define what is Islam or radical Islam or jihadic Islam or Wahhabi Islam? What implications does that have for dealing properly and realistically with Allah-based terrorists?

280 posted on 05/04/2007 1:47:00 PM PDT by Colofornian
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