Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
I know that Baptists believe God sends any soul who has not confessed Christ to hell, even if that person never heard the name of Jesus Christ and otherwise lived to the best light and knowledge that he had. Do you believe this also? If not, what remedy is there for the soul of this person or the child mentioned above. Because, God knowing all things future and past, would have created these souls simply to thrust them into the lake of fire and brimstone you define. Is this your God?
“Strike one ...”
Meaning...?
Frankly, DU’s post was nothing but frank and clear. That you interpreted that as arrogance, I don’t understand. But, it has been a pattern for you, of late. Am I to understand that you are fresh out of logical arguments? Somehow, I doubt that.
***** See what I mean, the arrogance and condescension are dripping from the screen with that one.
I heard no arrogance or condescension in post #2375. I heard a call to substantiate your claims.
Perhaps the arrogance and condescension you hear comes from within your heart. Perhaps the board you see in DelphiUser eye is nothing but the reflection of the sliver in your own.
I don’t know...
This much I do know, by the words you have posted the constant attacks, regardless of their validity, and incessant finger pointing you are struggling with your own Christianity.
I will continue to prayed for you. May we all treat others in the way we would like to be treated. Even if the other guy started it.
That I am holding off from addressing the heresies of Mormonism for now on this thread should not be mischaracterized as ‘out of logical arguments.’ That baiting comment by you isn’t going to goad me into address the poster directly with a ping. Arguing with arrogant, ridiculing, condescending posters is not profitable for readers and detracts from reasoning about the candidates, despite what Saundra tried to accomplish with this thread/essay.
Yeah, you and your buddy JCEccles are using the same strategy to assist your fellows. Enjoy ...
I don’t know JCEccles. I’ve only read one of his/her posts.
I don’t take “sides”.
I look for truth regardless of where it comes from.
Despite my human side I do my best to speak truth.
I said “perhaps” and “I do not know”.
I only know there is a pattern to your posts.
You don’t have to accept my “advice” or “help” I gave it freely and I don’t demand that you accept it. I apologize for any discomfort you feel.
Your issues are yours.
I’ll go deal with mine.
I feel no discomfort at your post or others posts ... and I’m not ‘sitting in my pajamas typing on the net.’ [Look back at your friend’s post you say was not arrogant and condescending. This wagon circling behavior is beginning to reveal quite a bit about how Mormonism apologists are going to deal with dnc strategies to marginalize Romney should he get the nomination.]
“and I’m not ‘sitting in my pajamas typing on the net.’”
See, this is a perfect example of how you are choosing to take offense where none is warranted. Bloggers, participants in forums, all kinds of users of the new media outlet we call the Internet are regular Joe’s like me and you, who sit at home in their PJ’s - either metaphorical or literal - participating in democracy.
I do the same. The difference is, you are “sitting in your PJ’s” attacking what I hold dear. I am “sitting in my PJ’s” defending what I hold dear.
I pray for you MHG, because it seems to me that you have some sort of pent-up anger or frustration that causes you to lash out - to take insult and offense, and to assume the worst in others. This goes beyond our theological disagreements. If a person is determined to see a particular group of people as “arrogant” and “condescending,” it’s so much easier to find examples of such.
Until a person finds a way to take care of such a dilemma, real happiness is much harder to find. Such a person spends their time insulted and bitter.
And you aren’t likely to be capable of seeing the condescension in your post. So be it. Strike two ... third strike and we no longer have a truce, tantiboh.
This is the most arrogant and self-serving post I have ever seen on FR. I have read many threads on the Religion board here and MHGinTN is one of the foremost authority, kindest, and best read posters on protestant Christianity here.
That you would personally attack someone as good and as honest as MHGnTN tells me a great deal about you. You are an insecure, young whippersnapper, and could learn a great deal from my dear friend.
He started out as a Romney defender, and posted his opinion that Romney's candidacy should not be about religion. Then he met this group of Mormonism "defenders" on FreeRepublic. It is you, and those like you, who totally changed his mind.
I'm sorry that some of us have had to muddy our feet in this fight. We don't think the Romney candidacy is good for our party. It is our right to vehemently defend our position.
I am a Mormon for Fred!
I have seen posts from him to you, where he has bent over backward to try and have a civil discussion with you. You owe him a very large apology IMO>
“That you would personally attack someone as good and as honest as MHGnTN tells me a great deal about you.”
So be it, CC; I’ve read many places where you have stated that you’re praying for another. My attacks were not designed to be personal; but they are my observations of MHG’s behavior in the last few days. He has used the terms “arrogant” and “condescending” many times in the last few days, and this has been meant as a substantive response to those whom he has so labeled.
“You are an insecure, young whippersnapper, and could learn a great deal from my dear friend.”
Insecure? I’m not sure; time will tell, I suppose. Young? Certainly, though such a trait does have desirable qualities to go with the undesirable, including a sense of idealism. Whippersnapper? Could be; I’ve yet to prove myself in the world, though I do have high hopes. Learn much from MHG? I’m sure I could; indeed, I already have. He’s cogent and intelligent. Still, if he desires to take offense, there is little I can do to stop him; I’m certain we would have me do nothing less than speak my mind - to do otherwise would be duplicitous. He often accuses us of “spinning;” well, when I am honest and forthright in my observations, he accuses me of “arrogance.” So be it; it’s not my lookout.
“He started out as a Romney defender, and posted his opinion that Romney’s candidacy should not be about religion.”
That may have been before I was paying attention; in that case, my thanks go out to him.
“It is you, and those like you, who totally changed his mind.”
No, I’m afraid not. It has been his thesis for some time that Romney’s weakness is that the press, etc. will pillory his religion and thereby split the Republican base. That religion did not change since this discussion began. If his position has shifted, then it has been other forces that did it.
“I’m sorry that some of us have had to muddy our feet in this fight.”
Me, too. I’d much rather not discuss my faith in such a forum.
“We don’t think the Romney candidacy is good for our party.”
That’s fine; you’re certainly welcome to the position. In many ways, I agree with you. But, then, that hasn’t been the source of contention, has it?
“It is our right to vehemently defend our position.”
Indeed; just as it is my right to defend my faith. None of us is perfect, and we’ve all stepped on toes along the way. That’s why we have charity.
It isn’t just that a Romney candidacy isn’t good for our party. It isn’t good for our nation. Only those who can see the bigger picture of politics understand why.
My friend, if you are determined to find reasons to annul our “truce,” then you will find them. There’s nothing I can do or say to prevent that, except to be silent. I will not do that.
I respect you and your positions; nevertheless, I do not see that respect reciprocated toward others when they disagree with you. In my clumsy fashion, I called you out on it. Certainly, my posts today have not been written in the spirit of love; and I regret the way I presented myself, for it was not done in the spirit of He whom I claim to represent. I struggle to be better day by day, just as you do.
Still, I stand by the point I tried to make through them. If my observations were incorrect, then, please, correct me. I am old enough to recognize my ignorance in many things.
I agree.
It is in God’s hands. We’ll get the leader we deserve. I pray it’s Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson.
“I have seen posts from him to you, where he has bent over backward to try and have a civil discussion with you. You owe him a very large apology IMO”
Indeed, that is true; I have done likewise for him. Today, I failed; and I have addressed this.
You are a bit presumptuous, tantiboh.
Who are you to state which positions changed MGHinTN’s mind?
There are a mulitude of points being discussed on the various Romney threads.
Have you monitored each and every thread, followed the discussions from the beginning until the end, took notes of every comment MGHinTn has made, opened up a dialogue with him and asked him to answer your questions regarding his change of heart?
To state that you have, is pure folly. You aren’t coming off as well with your recent posts. You are moving the argument from a factual basis to a personal one. That is a weak position.
“Have you monitored each and every thread, followed the discussions from the beginning until the end, took notes of every comment MGHinTn has made, opened up a dialogue with him and asked him to answer your questions regarding his change of heart?”
Of course not. Have you?
If I am wrong, MHG is free to correct me.
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