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To: Colofornian
I’m guessing by your posts that you are of the Catholic faith. Correct me if I’m wrong. Don’t you believe that unbaptized children who die go to hell or has the Church changed its position on that?

I know that Baptists believe God sends any soul who has not confessed Christ to hell, even if that person never heard the name of Jesus Christ and otherwise lived to the best light and knowledge that he had. Do you believe this also? If not, what remedy is there for the soul of this person or the child mentioned above. Because, God knowing all things future and past, would have created these souls simply to thrust them into the lake of fire and brimstone you define. Is this your God?

2,381 posted on 05/14/2007 4:13:23 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: DanielLongo
I’m guessing by your posts that you are of the Catholic faith. Correct me if I’m wrong.

(No)

Don’t you believe that unbaptized children who die go to hell...

(No)

I can't speak for God beyond what He tells us in His Word: So let's look at what David said, when his infant son died (2 Sam. 12:13-23 for full context...I'll zero in on v. 23): "Can I bring him [infant son] back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me."

Now if this infant son was in hell, was David saying he was "hell-bent" so to speak? {BTW, since the LDS position on murderers, I believe, that they cannot be saved; that would seem to put David & Moses--both of whom murdered others--David, indirectly & Moses, directly, in precarious positions spiritually, does it not?}

I know that Baptists believe God sends any soul who has not confessed Christ to hell...

My understanding of Baptists is that it's more along the lines of LDS--an age of accountability where children are either less accountable or not accountable prior to that age. Either way, "age of accountability" was a typical early 19th century issue debated, so you would expect Joseph to comment upon it & take a position, which he did in D&C.

Anyway, the "age of accountability" isn't Biblical unless you realize that the Bible holds babies accountable:

"The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies." (Ps. 58:3) See also: "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me." (Ps. 51:5)

Joseph Smith's problem was he never read this part of the psalms.

even if that person never heard the name of Jesus Christ and otherwise lived to the best light and knowledge that he had. Do you believe this also? If not, what remedy is there for the soul of this person or the child mentioned above. Because, God knowing all things future and past, would have created these souls simply to thrust them into the lake of fire and brimstone you define. Is this your God?

Again, Scripture reading is important so that we don't lash out with "straw men" versus our Living God. We can't accuse a God of lack of light when even the sun bears down rays that reveal a certain portion of who He is. Theologians call this "natural revelation"--versus the "special revelation" of Scripture.

Romans 1:18-25: "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, whol hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manfifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkeneded. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man..."

That means if your God looks like corruptible man (body, not spirit; once in a fallen state, etc...you've fashioned an image of God in the image of man & are guilty of idolatry). or has the Church changed its position on that?

2,403 posted on 05/14/2007 8:20:51 PM PDT by Colofornian
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