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They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious Bigotry, alive and well today
Saundra Duffy

Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy

They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious bigotry, alive and well today

May 4, 2007 - by Saundra Duffy-Hawkins

“I wouldn’t vote for a Mormon for dogcatcher, much less President of the United States!” There’s a lot of that kind of hateful rhetoric going around since Mitt Romney decided to throw his hat in the ring – as if Mormons are some kind of hideous evil monsters. The loudest anti-Mormon shouts, sad to say, are coming from America’s so-called “Christian right”. How can Mitt Romney hope to get a fair shake in this spiritually polluted atmosphere?

There was another man running for President who faced the same dilemma – John F. Kennedy – only he was the target of anti-CATHOLIC bigotry. In his 1960 speech to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association, JFK said the following: “. . .I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end - where all men and all churches are treated as equal - where man has the same right to attend or not attend the church of his choice - where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind - and where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their words in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood.” John F. Kennedy Library & Museum (Speeches, 1960). By the way, if you listen to the audio version of JFK’s speech, you will hear the hurt and frustration in his voice and the unfair treatment surely must have caused many a sleepless night.

Fast forward to 2007 where JFK might as well have been “whistlin’ Dixie”. The hostility toward Mormons today, in my opinion, is even worse than that suffered by JFK. Although it is said that JFK lost about a million votes to religious intolerance, Romney stands to lose even more if the anti-Mormon evangelicals hang together.

According to Media Matters for America - “. . . a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media” - FOX News is not reporting accurately on the level of evangelical hostility to the Romney run. Media Matters for America points out that among evangelical leaders rejecting Mormons: Shirley and James Dobson (National Day of Prayer and Focus on the Family, respectively), the Southern Baptist Convention (collectively), Pat Robertson (Christian Broadcasting Network), and Dr. D. James Kennedy (Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Florida). “Among many conservative evangelicals – who comprise a significant part of the Republican base – Mormonism is considered an un-Christian cult.” Media Matters for America (2007)

While stumping in Florida, a man in the audience stood up during the Q&A portion and said the following to Romney: “You, sir, you’re a pretender. You do not know the Lord. You’re a Mormon.” Media Matters for America (2007). This is the kind of un-American, disrespectful treatment Mitt Romney will apparently have to endure throughout the entire campaign – as if just being a Mormon is reason enough to open the floodgates for free flow of pent-up hatred and vindictiveness.

For the record, the Mormon bashers know full well that the official name of Romney’s church is “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” and the members should rightfully be called “members of the LDS Church” but the words “Mormon” and “Mormonism” have an aura of negativity so they prefer to use the “M” word as if it were dirty.

Less than five minutes cruising around the official LDS website (LDS.org) will show anyone who’s interested that the Church is a Christian organization, with Jesus Christ at the Head. There are no paid clergy – all are volunteers. Humanitarian aid is legendary. Members of the LDS Church believe in strong family values; they are patriotic, they are law-abiding upstanding citizens of their community. Many LDS young men right out of high school go on two-year missions – you know, the guys on bikes – and during their mission they don’t date, read newspapers, go to movies or watch TV; but rather they dedicate two years of their lives to serving others. Many women go on missions as well, and couples, only theirs is 18 months in length but the obligations are basically the same. Most members do not shop or go out to eat on Sundays – reminiscent of the good old days when shops and stores were closed in obedience to the Commandment, “Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy”. If they can help it, LDS Church members do not work on Sundays, either, preferring to spend the day at church and with their families. Church members are encouraged to store up a year’s supply of food and water so they will be able to care for their families in the event of an emergency. The LDS Church believes in self-sufficiency and self-reliance but in the event of a financial hardship the Church distributes food and supplies through their welfare (Bishop’s Storehouse) program. Members of the LDS Church do not drink alcohol nor do they use illicit drugs; they do not drink coffee and tea. A Mormon in good standing, therefore, will not be found in a drunken stupor puking her guts out at 3 a.m. anywhere in the world. Furthermore, members of the church are encouraged to dress modestly, be polite and courteous. And members of the LDS Church are faithful tithe payers. Come on, people, what’s not to love?

So what on earth is their beef, the anti-Mormon zealots? Why is there such disdain for the LDS Church and its members? In Hugh Hewitt’s book, “Mormon in the White House?” he states his thesis that the fierce anti-Mormon sentiment among main-stream Christians stems from one or two or all three of the following factors (in order of importance):

1) “It is just too weird.

2) “A Mormon president will supercharge Mormons’ missionary work.

3) “If there is a Mormon in the White House, Salt Lake City will call the shots, at least on the biggest issues.” Hewitt (2007, p. 221-227)

Hugh Hewitt has written an exquisite book about the Romney campaign and overcoming the “Mormon problem.” It’s a good read and I highly recommend it. Of the three problem points listed in the previous paragraph, Hewitt believes – unless some unforeseen blunder destroys his chances – none of the three is insurmountable for Mitt Romney. (Plus, he has the best hair.)

Well, I’m no Hugh Hewitt, not even close; he’s an icon on the conservative radio talk show circuit. Hewitt could talk circles around me (I’ve seen him in action in Sacramento); he’s brilliant; he’s well educated, well read, no doubt a genius, plus he’s kind of cute. I’m basically a “nobody” – an overweight grandma – but after having researched for this paper, I have come to a totally different conclusion as to why there is such in-your-face angst over Romney’s religion of choice: It’s all about money, power and control (in that order). I think they’re (the evangelical religious bigots, that is) scared half to death and are revving up their attacks, not to save souls, but to save their reputations (which if tarnished would lead to financial ruin).

As I said, all one must do is browse around the LDS official web site to see what the LDS Church believes and stands for. Any reasonable person would conclude that Mormons are not evil monsters at all. In fact, they are God fearing, Christ believing, Holy Ghost following people going about doing good. “You will know them by their fruit” and the LDS has plenty of fruit and they are willing to share.

Earlier, I stated that some high-powered ministries have publicly condemned Mormons: Shirley and James Dobson, the Southern Baptist Convention, Pat Robertson, and Dr. D. James Kennedy – just to name a few. There are hoards of others. Sunday after Sunday, preachers, evangelists, reverends and ministers from all Christian denominations pound the pulpit with anti-Mormon rhetoric. I heard the message loud clear when I was a Baptist and when I tiptoed through evangelical/Pentecostal territories. Was I ever miffed when I later learned for myself the Gospel truth about the LDS Church.

Just think about it, please. If Dr. D. James Kennedy, for example, who wrote the book, The Wolves Among Us, were to admit he’d been wrong in labeling the LDS Church a “cult” that leads unwary ignorant people astray (to hell), what would become of his multi-million-dollar ministry? Suffice it to say, there’s big money to be had by sale of books, tapes, CD’s, videos, and other anti-Mormon propaganda, not to mention speaking engagements and world-wide religious crusades. We’re talking trillions, all told. I realize the anti-Mormon aspect of these ministries is but a small portion of the business, but if the truth came out, that they had been using falsehoods about the LDS Church as a cash cow, their entire empires could tumble.

The ABC News program 20/20 aired on March 23, 2007, exposed the lavish lifestyles of some of the top evangelical preachers – million dollar mansions and personal jets. ABC News - 20/20 (2007) (Again, the LDS Church has no paid clergy.)

It’s nothing new. Severe harassment and persecution has been the lot of the LDS Church since it’s inception in 1820 when a 14-year-old boy named Joseph Smith saw visions and communed with heavenly beings. Rather than discuss the spiritual aspects of the LDS Church, however, let’s stick to facts of history. Taken from a college-level early American history textbook, Joseph Smith, upon experiencing the visions and visitations, believed “that God had work for me to do, and that my name should be for good and evil among all nations, kindreds and tongues.” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 292). The textbook continues, “They were met with hostility virtually everywhere they went . . . . As the movement gathered momentum, hundreds of people joined the church; entire congregations of churches of other faiths joined . . .” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 293)

During the dark time of American history when slavery was flourishing and when Native Americans were forced from their lands, the pioneers of the LDS Church also suffered at the hands of unscrupulous politicians, governmental leaders, and angry hate-filled mobs. “In the face of relentless persecution, Joseph Smith, the founder of the church, had led his flock to Illinois. There they had established the town of Nauvoo, which by the mid-1840’s had become the largest city in Illinois with over 15,000 people. . . In June 1844, a mob of non-Mormons broke into the jail where Smith was being held and killed both him and his brother. . .The Mormons abandoned Nauvoo in the spring of 1846 as anti-Mormons pounded the town with cannon, destroying the Great Temple. In a well-coordinated migration, 15,000 Mormons moved in stages to the Great Salt Lake.” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 334-335) Many walked all the way and many died along the way, including innocent babes.

Joseph Smith at one time was tarred and feathered by a mob. No jury, no trial, no judge – and they had planned to castrate him, too. On October 27, 1838, the then governor of Missouri issued an “extermination order”: “The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary . . .” Far West History (n.d.) Please note that the order called for exterminating “Mormons” making no distinction between men, women and children, and indeed women and children were subject to the extermination order.

In an event known in LDS history as “the Haun’s Mill Massacre”, precipitated by the extermination order, 30 to 40 LDS families were surprised by some 200 to 250 militia. After the smoke cleared, seventeen LDS people lay dead including a ten-year-old boy. Thirteen LDS members were wounded including a woman and a seven-year-old boy. “A few Missourians returned the next day and took plunder.” LDS FAQ (n.d.) No Missouri militiamen were killed but three were wounded. Just a few years earlier, the LDS folk who died that day had been members of other churches - Congregational or Methodist or Baptist or Presbyterian.

In l976, Governor Bond of Missouri officially rescinded the extermination order and presented apologies for the “unfortunate developments” it caused. Quoting from Governor Bond’s Executive Order: “WHEREAS, Governor Boggs’ order clearly contravened the rights to life, liberty, property and religious freedom as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, as well as the Constitution of the State of Missouri; and . . . Expressing on behalf of all Missourians our deep regret for the injustice and undue suffering rescind Executive Order Number 44 dated October 27, 1838, issued by Governor W. Boggs. . .” Far West History (n.d.) The individuals who harassed, abused, and even murdered Mormons in cold blood were never tried for their crimes.

I read Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s Letter from Birmingham Jail and it really touched my heart. There he was, suffering for the Lord in jail, and these religious leaders with highfalutin titles on the outside wrote an open letter (“A Call for Unity”) in which they criticize King’s tactics and basically blame King for the racial turmoil of the time. Though you can tell King is upset and hurt by the attack – made worse because he’s stuck in jail and can’t confront the religious leaders face-to-face – his response is gentle genius. “I wish you had commended the Negro sit-inners and demonstrators of Birmingham for their sublime courage, their willingness to suffer, and their amazing discipline in the midst of great provocation. One day the South will recognize its real heroes.” Barnet and Bedau (2005, p. 881)

King has a few choice words for the Church, too: “If today’s church does not recapture the sacrificial spirit of the early church, it will lose its authenticity, forfeit the loyalty of millions, and be dismissed as an irrelevant social club with no meaning for the twentieth century. Every day I meet young people whose disappointment with the church has turned into outright disgust.” Barnet and Bedau (2005, p. 880)

King signs off with “Yours for the cause of Peace and Brotherhood”.

There’s an eerie commonality between what JFK and MLK endured at the hands of the religious bigots of their day and what Mitt Romney is facing today. I hope and pray that Romney will be able to fend off these undeserved attacks from the religious hypocrites with the same grace, dignity and God-inspired resolve displayed by the other two.

A few popular bumper stickers read: “Honk if you love Jesus” and “Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven” or “Jesus is my co-pilot”. Yet, apparently, these same bumper-sticker Christians are the ones waging war against Mitt Romney’s run for the Presidency solely on the basis of his chosen faith in a Church that bears the name of the Savior of the world.

References

ABC News - 20/20 (2007). Philanthropic donations come from your heart, but where do they end up? Ex-money manager says "enough!" to secretive Christian Ministry spending. Glenn Ruppel & John Stossel. United States: ABC News.

Ayers, E. L., Gould, L. L., Oshinsky, D. M., & Soderlund, J. R. (2004). American Passages - a history of the United States - Volume I: to 1877 (2nd ed.). Belmont, California: Thomson/Wadsworth.

Barnet, S., & Bedau, H. (2005). Letter from Birmingham Jail. Current Issues and Enduring Questions - a guide to critical thinking and argument, with readings (7th ed., pp. 867-882). Boston and New York: Bedford/St. Martin's.

Far West History. (n.d.). The Extermination Order and how it was rescinded. Retrieved April 28, 2007, from http://www.jwha.info/mmff/exorder.htm

Hewitt, H. (2007). A Mormon in the White House? 10 things every American should know about Mitt Romney. Washington, D.C.: Regnery Publishing, Inc.

John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum. (1960, September 12). Address of Senator John F. Kennedy to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association. Retrieved April 22, 2007, from http://www.jfklibrary.org

Lds Faq. (n.d.). What was the Haun's Mill Massacre? Retrieved April 28-2007, 2004, from Brigham Young University Web Site: http://ldsfaq.byu.edu/view.asp?q=57

Media Matters for America. (2007). Fox News whitewashes evangelical hostility to Romney's faith. Retrieved April 22, 2007, from http://mediamatters.org/items/printable/200702280002


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To: colorcountry

Very clever graphic; I’ll have to look that site up.

“So do you think Romney will seed every venue where he speaks with Mormons who can “boo” at the appropriate times.”

I don’t think he wants the job that bad. Besides, such a tactic would be seen through as quickly as politically-motivated attacks on his religion would be.


2,041 posted on 05/10/2007 7:23:28 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: tantiboh

I think I have addressed many of the points you bring up in my posts above. I am sorry you feel insulted by what I say. But if Christians can’t know what defines Christianity, then Christianity is meaningless. There must be core doctrines that define any religion, or else that religion is meaningless. There are core doctrines that are fundamental to Christianity. The Bible warns us against false teachings and false prophets. How do we tell what is false if we do not have defining core doctrines to compare them against?

Again, tell me if I am wrong, but I have the impression that Mormons think that Christians define themselves primarily by their church or denomination. This is a misconception. We are Christians first.

I have to disagree with you about our hypothetical person who believes in Jesus, but believes he came to earth in a spaceship and believes salvation is based on good singing. That person does not agree with the core doctrines of Christianity, and therefore is not a Christian. Just as you say you would know he is not a Mormon. If Christians said people can believe whatever they want about where Jesus came from and how he got here, or how salvation is attained, then Christianity would be meaningless, wouldn’t it?

I am not saying that I alone claim Christianity as my own rather than Christ’s. It is Christ’s. And he has made it clear to us in the Bible what it is. All I’m doing is looking at the doctrines of Christianity and comparing them with the publicly known doctrines of Mormonism. They do not match up. Thank you for your comments, I appreciate them.


2,042 posted on 05/10/2007 7:26:38 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: colorcountry

heh... that’s funny... I just changed your smiley! Not a very secure system, is it?


2,043 posted on 05/10/2007 7:27:20 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: tantiboh
I was wondering if it worked (the graphic that is).

I've never used it before, and it keeps changing everytime I make a new one at the site. I hope the graphic you saw said BOO. (Not that I made any obscene signs or anything like that ....


2,044 posted on 05/10/2007 7:29:00 PM PDT by colorcountry
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To: tantiboh

Ah oh....I think this could be very bad for me.

Please mod, I didn’t mean to let people put words in my mouth....

Shoot, I knew I should have tested that out first.


2,045 posted on 05/10/2007 7:32:07 PM PDT by colorcountry
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To: MHGinTN

Thanks! Nice post above by the way.


2,046 posted on 05/10/2007 7:33:13 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Howdy there

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. That’s my Jesus.


2,047 posted on 05/10/2007 7:33:16 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Mitt has the best hair!)
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To: FastCoyote; sevenbak

My father thought Gordon B. Hinckley lived in the Temple, like the Vatican, I guess. Ha!


2,048 posted on 05/10/2007 7:36:56 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Mitt has the best hair!)
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To: tantiboh

“As soon as you malign what we hold dear, we will respond.”

I’m with you, bro.


2,049 posted on 05/10/2007 7:38:35 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Mitt has the best hair!)
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To: tantiboh
You offered, But I have felt this when I have humbly, faithfully, and with real intent asked about the truth of the Book of Mormon as the word of God and of Joseph Smith as the Lord’s prophet. This immortal destiny is not about Joe Smith or the book of mormon, it is about Jesus Christ.

Apparently, there is no refutation of Smith which will now move your trust in him as a prophet of God. You may say that now, but that will change, someday, somewhere. Your immortal destiny better not depend on Smith's veracity. Peace be with you

2,050 posted on 05/10/2007 7:38:45 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: tantiboh

“Mormons have been helping to elect Evangelicals and Protestants for quite some time now.”

You can say that again!


2,051 posted on 05/10/2007 7:40:29 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Mitt has the best hair!)
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To: tantiboh

That is dishonest to change the post of another. False representation.


2,052 posted on 05/10/2007 7:42:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Abigail Adams

“All I’m doing is looking at the doctrines of Christianity and comparing them with the publicly known doctrines of Mormonism.”

This is where we disagree, and it is a source of a great deal of the friction between people like us.

You are comparing Mormonism with your interpretation of the doctrines of Christianity. So am I. It is a philosophical question, so we’re both right from our own perspectives.

Therefore, while I think you’re wrong, I respect your right to be so, and when you aren’t interested in my beliefs, I smile and say Good Day and make my way to someone else who may be.

I only ask that I, and others like me, be granted the same privilege. Not once has one of these threads started out with someone saying, “I wouldn’t vote for anyone BUT Romney! All those other guys believe kooky, wacky things, and they certainly aren’t Christians. Obviously, they’re all a cult. Only my guy knows the truth, so he’s the only one fit to be president!”

But when the roles are reversed, well... we get 2000+ post threads, as the Mormons try to say, “No, we’re not a cult, here’s why!” and the detractors repeat, “Yes you are, here’s why!” Soon, it degenerates into universal childishness, everybody gets insulted, everybody insults, and all the atheist lurkers - and most of the Christian ones - out there rightly see us all as a sad sack of fools.

And it is certainly not becoming of Him whom we ALL claim to represent.

To tell the truth, I’ve had my fill. I will defend my faith to the end; but I must point out the fact that it is generally started by our detractors.

This thread has been an exception to the rule. I believe the original post was a tad too provocative. Still, I can’t help but think that we would have all spent our time smacking each other over the head on some other thread instead were it never posted.


2,053 posted on 05/10/2007 7:42:41 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: colorcountry

Well, first it said something about “whiney Mormons,” then it changed to Boo before I got my paws on it.

Clever idea. Execution could be better.


2,054 posted on 05/10/2007 7:44:54 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: MHGinTN

“This immortal destiny is not about Joe Smith or the book of mormon, it is about Jesus Christ.”

I agree; you may note that I also related my testimony of Jesus Christ in the same post. I reaffirm that testimony. But since Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon constitute our points of contrast, I chose to highlight those aspects of my fundamental beliefs.

“Peace be with you”

Thank you, and likewise to you.


2,055 posted on 05/10/2007 7:47:44 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: All

I found this at lds.org. It is a very general summary of the differences between LDS and Christian churches. I’ll insert my comments in [[brackets like this]]:

The following are some of the more important differences in belief and practice between The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and other Christian churches.

Restoration

Because Latter-day Saints believe that divine apostolic authority was lost from the earth after the death of the ancient apostles, a restoration of that authority was necessary. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that restoration began in the early 1800s with revelations to the young Joseph Smith.

[[Christians, or “other Christian churches” as they call us, do not believe this.]]

Trinity

Among the most important differences with other Christian churches are those concerning the nature of God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Together, these form what is commonly referred to as the Holy Trinity in many churches and as the Godhead by Latter-day Saints.

[[It does not explain what the differences are, but it clearly states that one of the most important differences between us is the nature of God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Sounds like a very fundamental, core-doctrine difference, whatever it is, as Christian doctrine is non-negotiable on the nature of God.]]

Modern prophets, continuing revelation and new scriptures

Latter-day Saints believe that God still speaks to humankind, that He has called new apostles and prophets and that revelation flows today as it did anciently. Further, many of those revelations have been formally incorporated into new volumes of scripture. These include the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ; the Doctrine and Covenants, a collection of revelations to Joseph Smith and subsequent presidents of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; and the Pearl of Great Price, which includes the writings of Moses and Abraham as well as modern writings of Joseph Smith.

[[Christians do not accept any scripture except for the Bible, and the Bible alone. And we do not accept new prophets, apostles, or revelations. Absolutely fundamental difference here.]]

Plan of salvation

Latter-day Saint theology embraces what Mormons refer to as the “plan of salvation.” The topic covers the pre-mortal state of all mankind, the reasons why God created the world, the nature and purpose of our life here and what future awaits us in the next life.

[[I am assuming that the pre-mortal state means that we all existed before we came to earth in mortal bodies? Correct me if I am wrong. Christians do not believe we ever had a pre-mortal state. We believe we did not exist as spirits or people before conception in the womb. We also differ on what the next life is all about. Fundamental differences here.]]

Temples and their purpose

The primary purpose of temple work is to “seal” or unite families together, with the expectation that those relationships continue beyond death. The same temple rites can be performed for those who have died. There is no counterpart to temple practices in other Christian churches.

[[Like they say, there is no counterpart to this in Christian churches. We do not believe in sealing families, and do not believe these relationships continue in the next life, though we will see each other.]]

Missionary program

This is a difference in practice rather than in doctrinal belief, since many Christian churches send out missionaries to preach the gospel. However, the missionary program of the Church is distinctive and recognizable for the sheer number and distribution of missionaries, for the length and variety of their service, and for their appearance and their preaching of a restored gospel.

[[Right, Christians do not preach a restored gospel. We preach the gospel as it is written in the Bible.]]

Lay ministry

The Church of Jesus Christ has no full-time professional clergy at the congregational level. Even at the highest levels of the Church, leaders who are called as full-time apostles forsake their more remunerative professions in order to serve a lifetime calling as “special witnesses of Jesus Christ” and to oversee the Church worldwide.

[[Yes it’s different.]]

Health practices

Abstinence from alcohol among religious faiths is not unique to Latter-day Saints. However, among Latter-day Saints abstinence from alcohol is expected to be total, as is the abstinence from tobacco, tea and coffee.

[[Christians do not hold abstinence from these things as fundamental to the faith. There certainly are Christians who abstain from these things, and the Bible teaches that it is wrong to get drunk.]]

Based on this very general summary of the differences between LDS and “other Christian churches,” it is clear that there are fundamental differences in core doctrines. These differences, to Christians, lead Christians to conclude that the LDS is not consistent with Christian doctrine.


2,056 posted on 05/10/2007 7:51:50 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: MHGinTN

“Allow His voice to be heard within and ignore a ‘burning in the bosom’ which Satan can produce quite easily.”

I believe that Satan is the father of all lies and I do not listen to him. I like to listen for the still small voice of the Holy Ghost. I love my Savior, Jesus Christ. The Holy Ghost helps me love the Savior and my Heavenly Father more. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.


2,057 posted on 05/10/2007 8:00:28 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Mitt has the best hair!)
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To: tantiboh

Thank you for serving a Mission. Thank you, thank you, thank you.


2,058 posted on 05/10/2007 8:04:10 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Mitt has the best hair!)
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To: Abigail Adams

I agree with your comments, with one exception. The LDS Church is not consistent with -Orthodox- Christian doctrine.

We readily admit, and embrace this, as we believe it brings us closer to -Original- Christian doctrine.

“Orthdox Christian” is not the same as “Original Christian.”

Thank you, though, for your reasoned and respectful post. You quoted the source accurately and fairly, and made your beliefs clear in a very reasonable manner.

If you would like, there are several of us here that would be happy to discuss the merits of -why- these differences exist.


2,059 posted on 05/10/2007 8:04:51 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: Saundra Duffy

Don’t thank me; I got more from it than I gave.


2,060 posted on 05/10/2007 8:05:27 PM PDT by tantiboh
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