Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I love my Church and my Ward is the sweetest Ward! The Spirit is so strong. I am grateful to Heavenly Father for sending His Son to die for me.
P.S. Many of the same songs found in LDS hymn book are also found in other denominations’ hymn books. For example, “O God, Our Help in Ages Past”, “Sweet Hour of Prayer” and “Battle Hymn of the Republic” (which we always sing around July 4th); our church is very patriotic.
Here’s a song from our hymn book “We’re Not Ashamed to Own Our Lord”:
Verse 1: “We’re not ashamed to own our Lord
And worship him on earth.
We love to learn his holy word
And know what souls are worth.
Verse 2: “When Jesus comes in burning flame
to recompense the just,
The world will know the only name
In which the Saints can trust.
Verse 3: “When he comes down from heav’n to earth
With all his holy band,
Before creation’s second birth,
We hope with him to stand.
Verse 4: “He then will give us a new name.
With robes of righteousness,
And, in the New Jerusalem, Eternal happiness.”
What’s wrong with that song, pray tell?
Here’s another one. “Let the Holy Spirit Guide” - here are the words:
Verse 1: “Let the Holy Spirit guide;
Let him teach us what is true
He will testify of Christ,
Light our minds with heaven’s view.
Verse 2: “Let the Holy Spirit guard.
Let his whisper govern choice.
He will lead us safely home
If we listen to his voice.
Verse 3: “Let the Spirit heal our hearts
Thru his quiet, gentle pow’r.
May we purify our lives
To receive him hour by hour.”
Hallelujah!!
From the LDS Hymn book:
“Praise God from Whom All Blessings Flow”:
“Praise God, from whom all blessings flow,
Praise him, all creatures here below.
Praise him above, ye heavnly host.
Praise Father, Son and Hoy Ghost.”
Gotta go to Cub Scouts. The LDS Church supports wholeheartedly the Boy Scouts of America.
Those who qualify for eternal life are those who (a) have been qualified by the substitute life & death of Jesus Christ; and (b) trust in that substitute.
As for godhood, God doesn't share His throne with any of us. He shares heaven with us, which is what we inherit. But an heir doesn't work for anything left to him. It's given upon the death of the heir. In this case, we receive upon the death of Christ, and knowing Him as He is and for what He's done.
Otherwise, you're telling me that if you have a great inheritance, and you leave a will for your pet dog, you're implying that just because "you've always planned this" that this somehow = your dog being converted into a human in the afterlife.
"Heir" does not = becoming divine.
Thanks for your honesty. There seem to be a lot of Mormons who call themselves Christians. So if someone claims to be a Christian or claims to follow the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or to follow Jesus Christ, then I am prompted to clarify that Christianity and Mormonism are two separate religions, they are not the same. It is a danger to Christianity to have people who do not believe in orthodox Christianity claim the name of Christian or of Jesus Christ.
[Remember, Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon in two months. You try putting together something like that in two months, and we’ll see if it withstands the tests of time and criticism as the Book of Mormon has. We’ll see if it is the catalyst to building up millions of faithful followers across the planet.
Also recall, the Book of Mormon was written by ancient prophets, not by Joseph Smith. They utilized chiasmus and other literary techniques that were quite accepted amongst the ancient Hebrew literati - even if they seem unfamiliar and awkward to us. Not bad for a New York farm boy with a 4th grade education.]
Au contraire. Anyone who has written books, as I have, recognizes the style as “Plagiaristic Fraud 101”, the constant repetition of biblical buzz phrases, the mangled names, the abysmal storyline. It is certainly not the work of Prophetic Titans.
“You try putting together something like that in two months, and we’ll see if it withstands the tests of time and criticism as the Book of Mormon has. “
First, the BOM hasn’t stood up well at all, it makes Swiss cheese seem made of steel. The BOM has spawned countless denunciations based on its anomalies, before we even get to the storyline. Secondly, LRon Hubbard put out some pretty good crap like Dianetics in not much time.
I’m a damn good writer myself, but to write a fabrication like the BOM you’d have to be totally invested in a mountain of occult, masonic, religious and pop culture twaddle that would be hard to duplicate. If you want to read something that was truly hard to write, someday you will have to read the 200,000 words I wrote about the storage of nuclear waste. If you thought Joseph Smith could make you go blind and turn to Jesus, wait till you’ve read something like that.
But you tempt me:
“And it came to pass that the Woolites and the Caprolites, after having traveled lo many a fortnight in their Kon Tiki, alighted upon the sands of New Jersey.
And it came to pass, that Wooly (as he was affectionately known to the Woolites), took his magic steeled bronze bow and launched an arrow skyward, that upon falling struck a native Befuddledite in the spirit bottom, causing it’s engrams to flow skyward.
Lord forgive me! Wooly exclaimed, I know not what I do! But God’s wrath knew no lack and the Caprolites became the dominant species of the land.”
Trust me, if I put my mind to it I could out WordSmith Joseph Smith, but for what purpose? To deceive another 20 generations of saps? Now that would be cruelty.
“Come now, FC. I’d be willing to venture a guess that the vast majority of FReepers are significantly above average intelligence.”
That wasn’t the point, I had been assaulted as one of “loony grey matter”. But, I’d be happy to make the same bet with you as I did with restornu
Ok, name a single “Christian” who holds that opinion.
“Our churches don’t have anything on top. No cross, no statue.”
Now that is a falsehood. The link I provided has a gold statue of the guy with the bugle. And in any event, the challenge still stands. Offer to put a cross up and see where it gets you.
“WOW! There really is more evidence. This is amazing”
Yes, the Book of Zelph has saved me writing the Book of Caprolites, which has a similar story embedded in it, somewhere.
And how can you argue against the Book of Zelph? It is obviously written in the correct King James patois needed to convince even the most obstinate unbeliever!
“And it came to pass that the Woolites and the Caprolites, after having traveled lo many a fortnight in their Kon Tiki, alighted upon the sands of New Jersey. And it came to pass, that Wooly (as he was affectionately known to the Woolites), took his magic steeled bronze bow and launched an arrow skyward, that upon falling struck a native Befuddledite in the spirit bottom, causing it’s engrams to flow skyward. Lord forgive me! Wooly exclaimed, I know not what I do! But God’s wrath knew no lack and the Caprolites became the dominant species of the land.”I refuse to believe you unless you claim you translated this from golden tablets in a non-existent variation of ancient Egyptian but can never produce those golden tablets for some reason.
The problem is that LDS settles for a mere man as a husband when God is offering His true church His own Son as the bridesgroom. The only marriage in heaven is between the Son and His bride, the church.
"Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom...While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him...And while they went to buy [oil], the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut...Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." (Matt 25:1,5-6, 10,13)
"For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ." (2 Cor. 11:2)
"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church...Therefore as the chuch is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gae himself for it...This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church." (Eph. 5:23-25, 32)
"For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear...Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!" (Rev. 19:7-9)
"And I, John, saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband...Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb' And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God." (Rev. 21:2,9-10)
"The spirit and the bride say, 'Come!' (Rev. 22:17)
I would advise all LDS to stop this mega plan of future "two-timing" on Jesus Christ (our relationship to Him and to our spouse in heaven). The heavenly family is forever, yes. But it's one family. Families within THE FAMILY. But Jesus will be our only spouse. He's enough. We won't (and don't) need any other. Our security and dependency and relationship of knowing is with Him.
(And of course there are other Gospel parables comparing the kingdom of God to being invited to a wedding feast.)
You said “church.”
Many - not all - of the temples do include a statue of Moroni. He’s the angel that we believe visited and gave the Book of Mormon to Joseph Smith for translation. As such, he’s become a symbol of the restoration of the Gospel. You’ll notice he’s holding a trumpet. That’s a Biblical symbol.
We do not worship Moroni. Calling such statues “idols,” etc. is inaccurate.
“Ain’t no such thing period, nowhere, no how. Twas only a figment of a con artist’s con.”
You say so. Seems you’re the expert.
Of course, a medieval European would have scoffed at the idea that there were languages such as Navajo, Apache, Cherokee...
It is not surprising that the one inspiring Joe Smith to write his book and later doctrinal directives would ignore the wedding feast of the Lamb, the wedding of Christ with His chosen, glorified, sanctified bride ... Satan despises the Grace of God and is likely unable to fathom the relationship of Christ to His bride.
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