Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
"'Moses wrote for us that if a man's brother dies and leaves a wife but no children, the man must marry the widow...Now there were seven brothers. The first one married a woman and died childless. The second and then the third married her, and in the same way the seven died...Finally, the woman died too. Now then, at the resurrection whose wife will she be, since the seven were married to her?'" [Luke 20:28-33]
So far, they're asking Jesus if this woman is going to be a polygamist in the afterlife. How does Jesus respond?
"Jesus replied, 'The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age and in the resurrection from the dead..." [So Jesus separates out the "people of this age" from "resurrected" folks]
"But those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age WILL NEITHER MARRY NOR BE GIVEN IN MARRIAGE...
Jesus told them that the question is a moot issue. LDS try to skirt around Jesus' exact words by saying, "Yeah we know there won't be additional marriages in heaven." But if that was the proper interpretation of Jesus' words, then he wouldn't have answered the question being asked of him. He wasn't being asked, "How many more times than seven is this woman going to be married? (in heaven)"
As LDS would have it, the Sadducees who asked this question would come right back at Jesus and say, "So what she won't get married again? You didn't answer our question? She was sealed to all 7 husbands. Which one will she be attached to forever?"
The problem is that LDS settles for a mere man as a husband when God is offering His true church His own Son as the bridesgroom. The only marriage in heaven is between the Son and His bride, the church.
"For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear...Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!" (Rev. 19:7-9) "Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb' And he carried me away int he Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God." (Rev. 21:9-10) "The spirit and the bride say, 'Come!' (Rev. 22:17)
I would advise all LDS to stop this mega plan of future "two-timing" on Jesus Christ (our relationship to Him and to our spouse in heaven). The heavenly family is forever, yes. But it's one family. Families within THE FAMILY. But Jesus will be our only spouse. He's enough. We won't (and don't) need any other. Our security and dependency and relationship of knowing is with Him.
Sounds like a major reformation is in order. What do you think Luther pounded the "95 Theses" in the door for? He was most provoked by indulgences, the selling of items for purposes of things like cutting off the amount of time somebody might spend in purgatory.
Now, LDS aren't selling indulgences to cut the amount of time somebody spends in their supposed "spirit prison," but it does make divinity for sale. You won't get to be a god unless you're able to perform all works needed. And you can't perform all works needed unless you can get into the temple. And you can't get into the temple unless you turn over a tithe.
Not to mention no Jewish DNA in Native Americans.
Can't LDS at least acknowledge that if they were a CSI investigator this would be the coldest of any cold case?
Men lie. DNA doesn't.
I didn’t call you a hypocrite ... I aimed at the Marriotts and their status in the Mormon Church yet their obvious hypocrisy in placing porn in their hotels because it would make them millions. You have zipped your sacred undies too tight, sevenbak. Do you like playing the victim or something? Once again it becomes apparent that you will not ddiscuss straight because I know from previous posts by you that you are able to discern when something is aimed at you or not yet you intentionally mischaracterize the post I made about the Marriotts ... unless you’re a Marriott, in which case you are a member of a hypocritical family of Mormons.
With the probable exception of Islam, you are correct.
Islam only because it is the only major faith that requires its followers to wage war on unbelievers until all submit. Even then the numbers are perhaps comparable only because they’ve had close on 1500 years to rack them up.
Godless “faiths” killed something upwards of 125 million in the 20th century alone.
And in that same chapter of John’s Gospel, Jesus tells Philip that He is in the Father and the Father in HIm and that all Philip can see of the Father is what he sees in Jesus. Did you know that scripture tells men that they cannot see more than they are capable of seeing with their limitations in vision and hearing and taste, etc? Does that mean anything to you or do you purposely become dumb to anything except that which appears to support your imaginings if it is held out of context of other scripture? ... You know, don’t bother responding. You Mormon apologists are too devious to add yet another twister to the list which I offer context of scripture to.
They truly played as a team! BUT Golden State is going to be hard to stay with at the pace they set ... a seven game series is tough on folks at the pace the Golden State Warriros set.
No, that is not the truly relevant point. When the DNC goons start to smear Romney, they will accomplish it through ridicule of his religion, the origins of same. That is relevant to his mindset that he would follow a fantasy so easily exposed as anti-Christian and peppered with absurdities which Apologists will twist themselves and scriptures into gnots trying to defend, exposing further the astonishing absurdities and thea nti-Christian doctrines at the heart of Mormonism. What BY or other Mormons 150 years ago did is accountable to those that lives 150 years ago, not to Mormons living today. BUT if the Mormon Church continues to try and spin the History as they have in the past, THAT will be acocuntable to them as foolishness.
As said, I don’t believe in bashing Mormons of today for the sins of their ancestors.
The only thing I object to is the common Mormon propensity for comparing their “persecution” in the 19th century to the persecution of the early Christians, the Holocaust, etc., as if the Mormons were wholly innocent victims of prejudice and bigotry.
In fact, there was something close to a low-key civil war between Mormons and gentiles in America for several decades. Atrocities were committed on both sides, although the Mormons probably killed more innocents than their opponents.
At the Haun’s Mill Massacre, apparently the one where the largest number of Mormons were killed, 17 died. All adult men, with the exception of one 10 year old boy who was murdered after the fighting stopped.
13 Mormons were wounded, including some women and children. No women or children, other than the 10 year old, were killed.
When you compare this to Mountain Meadows, the contrast is obvious.
BTW, I do recognize that many, probably most, of the Mormons who were “persecuted” were indeed innocent. But then so were most of those who died at MM.
I’ve run across some indications that there may have been a contagious disease in SW Utah at the time, leading to a number of people falling sick shortly after the wagon train went through. Possibly one of the people in the train was a carrier.
The locals promptly jumped to the conclusion that the wagon train must have poisoned the springs, somewhat as during the Middle Ages the Jews were accused of poisoning the wells and causing the plague. Hey, a Jew passed through town just before the plague struck, therefore...
Just a supposition.
You are quite correct about the low profile of Mountain Meadows. I’m a little younger than you, and I never heard of MM till about five years ago, actually when reading a Mark Twain travel book. And I’ve been reading histories of this period for 40 years. I’d known of Haun’s Mill, for instance, for decades, although that may be partly because I grew up not far away.
For instance, there was a major massacre of “scabs” by labor unionists in Herrin County, IL during the 20s, and I’d never heard of it till a few months ago. 20 men were killed, after surrendering, as in MM.
Certain incidents in American history just seem to disappear, perhaps because they don’t fit the “theme” that a historian is trying to illustrate.
If 20 unionists had been killed in Herrin, or 100+ Mormons killed at MM, I’m sure these killings would be a lot more prominent in American histories. Then they would fit the theme of evil bigoted white men oppressing labor, religious minorities, etc.
But when evil bigoted whites are massacred, especially by the “good guy” minority, it doesn’t fit the theme and is therefore ignored.
I agree. I think the Jazz-Warriors series will go the full 7 games.
If we pro-life folks don't soon find a way to blunt the goon squad negatives campaign which will accompany the Rodham-rodent's run for the White House, our nation will be completely at the mercy of the democrat socialist leftist agenda and those aligned with the DNC/DNC aligned themselves with, the islamofascist terrorists.
While it would be helpful at FR for Mormon Apologists to not take any Romney thread as an opportunity to proselytize --we would have shorter threads and a lot less knockdown dragouts between Apologists from both camps, and I'm in the opposite apologist camp to Mormonism Apologists-- the reality is, the DNC is going to exploit the deep differences in Christian Orthodox beliefs and Mormonism beliefs, without the give and take seen at FR, leaving Romney to appear an strange, 'peculiar' cultist! This will suppress just enough votes to give the Rodham-rodent the White Whore House (with the degenerate one back in there, that is exactly what it willbe) and a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. THEN we will all be in a world of hurt.
It has become apparent that Mormons and Christian Apologists like myself are not going to come to a common ground for defining Mormonism as Christian. Mant Mormons are Christians, just like many Baptist are Christians. The sect isn't what establishes whether an individual is a Christian, the personal relationship with Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and the God of Creation the Almighty is what establishes that. You may have noticed that I do not post BofM passages and characterize them ... yet I have a copy on my computer and could do that. In fact, I have mentioned things about the Book of Mormon without posting the passages because I have seen what someMOrmonism Apologists have done with Bible passages taken out of context so I willnot be in the mob prone to do that with others' considered sacred scriptures. I don't do it with the Koran either, yet I hold that to be a total work of fiction from the twisted minds of men in rebellion to God's still small voice.
Perhaps I should stop now, before I alienate you too, although, you do not appear to have the Momronism apologist's tendency to take anything as an affront in order to post yet another doubt seed about Orthodox Christian beliefs by citing scritptures out of context.
Good grief, now I’ve invented another religion, Momronism! Bwahahaha ... how easily we humans are made the dolt.
I would advise you Colofornian, to study your scriptures to discern which groups Jesus was conversing with, it was not those who were keeping the covenant of Abraham, those two groups Pharisees and Sudceees were apostates of their day!
They had no promise with the Lord they were contentious by their very nature towards him!
If they continue with their attitude they might have ended up in the Telestrail heaven and there is no marriage there no gender or the Terrestrial is where those who are good, receive a glory and are angels with no gender, so what would the need for marriage be if they have no gender!:)
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