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No, what got to me is how the church deals with science. For example, the reputable LDS scholars all believe that Joseph Smith was wrong and that the scientists are right that the Lamanite/Nephite civilization are not the principal ancestors of the Native Americans.

“The reputable LDS scholars”, Link please?

And IMHO saying “reputable Scientists“ is about like saying reputable prostitutes. Don’t get me wrong, I like Science, I am a techno geek, but too many scientists try to pass off what they do as infallible, and I know too much about science.

Why did they change their mind?

Because they are scientists and someone offered them a grant to “do research”. Scientists take money to do research and “prove” what the person giving them the money wanted proven. When in doubt, follow the money. (I sound pretty darn cynical here, don’t I?)

Is it because there has been ZERO evidence found of the Lamanite/Nephite civilization?

Have you ever been to South America?

Is it because the scientists of all disciplines agree that the ancestors of the Native Americans were people who crossed a land bridge that once existed on the Bering Straits?

Wow, you sound like Al Gore, Scientists all agree, so it must be right. First of all Scientist don’t all agree, they NEVER do. (I try never to speak in absolutes Grin) Second, I can match you scientist for scientist, because there is money on both sides. Third, the majority of Scientists all agreed that the world was flat, the sun revolved about us, and something about a giant turtle carrying the earth. I rest my case on “Science”

Whatever it is its happened that they’ve changed their mind about the ancestry of the Native Americans.

They? They Who? These un-named un-linked, un knowing scientists?

BTW for restornu .... I had a very strong testimony. That’s a fact and all your suggestions that this wasn’t so are simply rubbish. I mourned my loss of testimony in Mormonism very deeply and would love to have it back if such a thing were honestly possible.

It is, but you have to decide who you will believe, God or scientists.

When I was in Taiwan, I had an experience that relates to this, May I?

I was in a park with my companion teaching a first discussion to a new person we had met. This college student came up and very rudely (especially for Chinese manners) started trying to interrupt our discussion because as Americans whose country was only 200 years old we should not be teaching someone whose country was 4,000 years old (his words) I got up and walked far enough away to be able to discuss this with him while my companion continued the discussion (we were still within sight of my Companion) He eventually got down to telling me he believed in the ”Church of Science” if you can see it, feel it or taste it, it’s real. (Like a thought, grin) I told him that “True science is merely another form of theology” The spirit came down like a ton of bricks and testified that what I had just said was true. He was stunned by feeling the spirit, but not ready to admit defeat, said “so you believe religion over what you can see? I responded “My eyes have been deceived before, my ears have been deceived before, I have even been tricked before so I do not trust to my eyes, ears or mind. God has never deceived me. I will always follow that feeling you just felt for it will not lead me astray.” Then I quoted to him “In questioning deity, any answer is significant.” – Attributed to Confucius, but what isn’t.

Do not trust Science over God, for that is the very definition of putting your trust in the arm of flesh.

Frankly the biggest problem facing the church today is the ever-willingness of its defenders to spin, lie, distort, withhold the truth, etc. on any issue that comes up which might not make the church look good.

If I have said anything that is untrue, it is either because of a faulty memory, or it was a mistake. Therefore it is not a lie for lying takes intent.

Some members wearing rose-colored glasses don’t see how foolish this makes them look.

Actually, mine are contacts (some unfiltered light was getting in around the edges /Humor

But for those outside the fold its quite obvious. And your statements about me are definitely false.

This is why we are told never to make value judgments restornu.