Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
OK, the first part of your statement is accurate, but the last is not. Why are you telling me what I believe, especially when it is not true? Please show me in your volumes and bookmarks of anti Mormon ammo where LDS doctrine states that Jesus is "lesser" than the Father?
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
John1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. … 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The Word IS GOD and became the flesh in the Son. God is One ... I understand you cannot see the unity, but 'One' and 'Unity' are the same Word in Hebrew.
An amazing comparison since the rituals in your Temple are so similar to those in Masonic rituals.
On that fact alone, perhaps we can purge the politics vs. religion fear that some seem to have. Starting with George Washington, 15 POTUS have been Masons. As have countless SC justices and other political, government figures.
We believe the Temple and temple ordinances to have existed in most all periods of time when the fullness of the Priesthood was on the earth. Many Masons trace their ceremonies back to King David and the temple rights of God's people. The reason there are a few similarities between the two is because truth is eternal... and so, apparently is apostasy. Whatever elements the Masons have in their sessions that are similar to the LDS temple is but a small, but fractured remnant of those ancient and eternal principles.
Did you happen to see that great Utah Jazz v Golden State game that just ended? That was the reason I'm still up back East.
I hope you've found it, I'm a day behind.
D&C 93:
21 And now, verily I say unto you, I was in the beginning with the Father, and am the firstborn;
22 And all those who are begotten through me are partakers of the glory of the same, and are the church of the Firstborn.
23 Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is spirit, even the Spirit of truth;
24 And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;
25 And whatsoever is more or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning.
26 The Spirit of truth is of God. I am the Spirit of truth, and John bore record of me, saying: He received a fullness of truth, yea, even of all truth;
27 And no man receiveth a fullness unless he keepeth his commandments.
28 He that keepeth his commandments receiveth truth and light, until he is glorified in truth and dknoweth all things.
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
30 All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.
31 Behold, here is the agency of man, and here is the condemnation of man; because that which was from the beginning is plainly manifest unto them, and they receive not the light.
32 And every man whose spirit receiveth not the alight is under condemnation.
33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;
Jesus wasn’t “created” He was the only begotten son, first spiritually, then physically. I know this may seem like a contradiction, but maybe this will help you understand where we are coming from:
D&C 93:
21 And now, verily I say unto you, I was in the beginning with the Father, and am the firstborn;
22 And all those who are begotten through me are partakers of the glory of the same, and are the church of the Firstborn.
23 Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is spirit, even the Spirit of truth;
24 And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;
25 And whatsoever is more or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning.
26 The Spirit of truth is of God. I am the Spirit of truth, and John bore record of me, saying: He received a fullness of truth, yea, even of all truth;
27 And no man receiveth a fullness unless he keepeth his commandments.
28 He that keepeth his commandments receiveth truth and light, until he is glorified in truth and dknoweth all things.
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
30 All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.
31 Behold, here is the agency of man, and here is the condemnation of man; because that which was from the beginning is plainly manifest unto them, and they receive not the light.
32 And every man whose spirit receiveth not the alight is under condemnation.
33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;
Oh, and I didn’t see the game, I was too busy catching up. Did the Jazz win?
Pulled it out in the last two minutes! Very good game. Best to you all ... I’m off to bed.
But many thousands of Irish "remembered" it vividly.
From your link:
The market for female household workers occasionally specified religion or nationality. Newspaper ads for women sometimes did include NINA, but Irish women nevertheless dominated the market for domestics because they provided a reliable supply of an essential service.
LOL! Your link equivocated with this statement and then said it almost never happened. Here's your sign:
I quickly found another link for a syllabus, http://www.nde.state.ne.us/SS/irish/unit_2.html, that included this:
The British historian Edward Freeman visited the United States in 1881. His obituary states that "he gloried in the Germanic origin of the English nation." On his return from America, he wrote: "This would be a grand land if only every Irishman would kill a Negro, and be hanged for it. I find this sentiment generally approved - sometimes with the qualification that they want Irish and Negroes for servants, not being able to get any other." - Curtis, Anglo Saxons..., op.cit., p.81 Just look at Thomas Nast's cartoons to find out the sentiment of the day. With the xenophobia culminating in the creation of the Know Nothing Parties, sworn to overcome the Irish threat, it takes little imagination to see the numerous citizens that would have been terrified to hire an Irish person. At that time, it was not forbidden by law and is certain to have been a common practice. |
Cool! G’Night
Except for Islam, these specious arguments about members of one “faith” being MORE responsible for “murders” compared to members of other “faiths” never can compare to the number of murders committed by atheists and agnostics, murders in the name of........nothing except raw human malice and perversion.....nothing at all to do with any vision of “God”.
I suspect Joe Smith (or the power behind Joe's 'inspirations') couldn't anticipate the developments in Physics and Cosmology which have brought the notion of 'big bang' and a beginning to the entire spacetime universe into existence else he would have handled the 'everlasting to everlasting' in the spirit realm differently (spirits are created by GOD), maybe making lucifer a created being but not the brother of Jesus. Genesis has been accurate all along, we just didn't know how it was accurate until these 'latter days'.
Bless you sevenbak, you're still caught in the 'created being can be equal with God' rut. Jesus IS GOD in the flesh and IS the Word, and IS the very Creator of all that is, thus He is not a created being, He IS Creator. Jesus is one of three ways God manifests and none of the three is created for He has always been and IS greater than the creation or created.
Manana ...
OK, now I'm confused. Were you a member or was it your mother? Are you sure she wasn't working off Church Welfare. Bishops often encourage those getting Church assistance, food, money etc, to work in some capacity or another.
I remember a time when my dad was between jobs that we received weekly help, both in finances and food. Our family went down on 2 0r 3 occasions to help at one of the church dairies, to help the process continue on for others people in the future who needed help. It's a great program, totally opposite of Government welfare. The Presiding Bishop, at the invitation of congress, has even testified in Washington on the merits of the program. I believe this happened a few years ago when welfare reform was being discussed.
If you didn’t understand the meaning of D&C 93, then we are at a loss to come together on this. G’night FRiend.
I didn't get that from her post.
I am curious Color as to your discussion of the Church with your husband. I hope I'm not being too personal... but it seems with all your posts that you do about how bad and evil the church is, and how you are doing it out of "love" for your fellow deceived Mormons, then why not talk of these same things to your own husband. I'm guessing you love him more than any of us. I'm not trying to be a smartalec Color. I know you were reluctant to tell him you left the church officially.
I really do have a lot of respect for you , It must be extremely challenging to live both ways, and still try to have a successful marriage. Please don't take this as hateful bait, it's not intended that way at all, but I can see how it could be percieved as such. I'm just saying that it must be very challenging and extremely difficult.
I never understood the relationship with James Carville and Mary Matalin either. Love conquers all!!!!
Ah, I should have kept reading... Thanks! Sorry I asked.
I am NOT defending the actions of those involved TANTIBOH!
I, for one, will not try to rationalize evil, particularly when committed by those who profess to believe in the same faith as me.
This is not to rationalize this is to put things in perspective
What they did was evil. There is no defense.
I don't ever recall saying it was defensible TANTIBOH!
It’s wise for us to acknowledge this, and move on.
I don't appreciate you TANTIBOH implying or maligning my integrity that I would condon such a thing!
My point on this has always been to understand to the best of my ability what took place and why?
In all of my post over the years posting on this subject has been, it was an wicked act, and that Brigham was not involved in this, and there was a times someone even try to present a rusty sign or something to that effect trying to connect Brigham to this and later it was found out to be a forgery!
Before you think the worst of me again, is it too much to ask what I mean by that? I am dyslexic I know that don't seem to mean much to you but I get more understanding from CC than from you!
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