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To: sevenbak
Mormonism claims Jesus is a created being ... you can figure it out, if you will but open your 'inner eye' ... and I know you have such an eye because I've witrnessed it in the occasional post.

Did you happen to see that great Utah Jazz v Golden State game that just ended? That was the reason I'm still up back East.

1,165 posted on 05/07/2007 10:37:35 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
Jesus wasn’t “created” He was the only begotten son, first spiritually, then physically. I know this may seem like a contradiction, but maybe this will help you understand where we are coming from:

D&C 93:
21 And now, verily I say unto you, I was in the beginning with the Father, and am the firstborn;
22 And all those who are begotten through me are partakers of the glory of the same, and are the church of the Firstborn.
23 Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is spirit, even the Spirit of truth;
24 And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;
25 And whatsoever is more or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning.
26 The Spirit of truth is of God. I am the Spirit of truth, and John bore record of me, saying: He received a fullness of truth, yea, even of all truth;
27 And no man receiveth a fullness unless he keepeth his commandments.
28 He that keepeth his commandments receiveth truth and light, until he is glorified in truth and dknoweth all things.
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
30 All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.
31 Behold, here is the agency of man, and here is the condemnation of man; because that which was from the beginning is plainly manifest unto them, and they receive not the light.
32 And every man whose spirit receiveth not the alight is under condemnation.
33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;

1,168 posted on 05/07/2007 10:48:12 PM PDT by sevenbak (A LIE travels around the world while the TRUTH is still putting on its boots -Winston Churchill)
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To: MHGinTN
Sorry, forgot to highlight the relevant verses.

Jesus wasn’t “created” He was the only begotten son, first spiritually, then physically. I know this may seem like a contradiction, but maybe this will help you understand where we are coming from:

D&C 93:
21 And now, verily I say unto you, I was in the beginning with the Father, and am the firstborn;
22 And all those who are begotten through me are partakers of the glory of the same, and are the church of the Firstborn.
23 Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is spirit, even the Spirit of truth;
24 And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;
25 And whatsoever is more or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning.
26 The Spirit of truth is of God. I am the Spirit of truth, and John bore record of me, saying: He received a fullness of truth, yea, even of all truth;
27 And no man receiveth a fullness unless he keepeth his commandments.
28 He that keepeth his commandments receiveth truth and light, until he is glorified in truth and dknoweth all things.
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
30 All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.

31 Behold, here is the agency of man, and here is the condemnation of man; because that which was from the beginning is plainly manifest unto them, and they receive not the light.
32 And every man whose spirit receiveth not the alight is under condemnation.
33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;

1,169 posted on 05/07/2007 10:51:21 PM PDT by sevenbak (A LIE travels around the world while the TRUTH is still putting on its boots -Winston Churchill)
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To: MHGinTN

Oh, and I didn’t see the game, I was too busy catching up. Did the Jazz win?


1,170 posted on 05/07/2007 10:53:29 PM PDT by sevenbak (A LIE travels around the world while the TRUTH is still putting on its boots -Winston Churchill)
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To: MHGinTN
Did you happen to see that great Utah Jazz v Golden State game that just ended? That was the reason I'm still up back East.

Yea!!! The Utah Jazz won. It was a very exciting game.

1,205 posted on 05/08/2007 5:58:54 AM PDT by Utah Girl
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