Posted on 05/01/2007 12:47:00 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
BELLEVUE, WA – Attorney General Alberto Gonzales’ troubling support of legislation that would allow him and future attorneys general the arbitrary power to block firearms purchases without due process is cause for him to step down as the nation’s highest ranking law enforcement officer, the Second Amendment Foundation said today.
The bill, S. 1237, was introduced last week at the Justice Department’s request by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), one of the most extreme anti-gunners in Congress. Called the “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2007,” this legislation would give the Attorney General discretionary authority to deny the purchase of a firearm or the issuance of a firearm license or permit because of some vague suspicion that an American citizen may be up to no good.
“This bill,” said SAF founder Alan Gottlieb, “raises serious concerns about how someone becomes a ‘suspected terrorist.’ Nobody has explained how one gets their name on such a list, and worse, nobody knows how to get one’s name off such a list.
“The process by which someone may appeal the Attorney General’s arbitrary denial seems weak at best,” Gottlieb suggested, “and there is a greater concern. When did we decide as a nation that it is a good idea to give a cabinet member the power to deny someone’s constitutional right simply on suspicion, without a trial or anything approaching due process?
“We’re not surprised that General Gonzales has found an agreeable sponsor in Frank Lautenberg,” Gottlieb observed. “The senator from New Jersey has never seen a restrictive gun control scheme he did not immediately embrace, and S. 1237 is loaded with red flags. It would allow an appointed bureaucrat the authority to suspend or cancel someone’s Second Amendment right without even being charged with a crime.
“Attorney General Gonzales has no business asking for that kind of power over any tenet in the Bill of Rights,” Gottlieb said. “He took an oath to uphold the Constitution, not trample it. Perhaps it is time for him to go.”
The man is dangerous.
I have tried to be supportive as a good republican should.But what I see is caving and covering his ass.Yes he needs to go.AND fast.Sometimes W confuses me.More than once,unfortunately.I voted for him twice thinking he was the answer.Now,I am not so sure.But he was MUCH better than horseface/ass whatever.I have hopes he will kick some butt and surprise us before he leaves office.WE need a President that understands our country is not for sale.
I have tried to be supportive as a good republican should.But what I see is caving and covering his ass.Yes he needs to go.AND fast.Sometimes W confuses me.More than once,unfortunately.I voted for him twice thinking he was the answer.Now,I am not so sure.But he was MUCH better than horseface/ass whatever.I have hopes he will kick some butt and surprise us before he leaves office.WE need a President that understands our country is not for sale.
I second what James W. Fannin said to you in Reply #360!!!
Not to mention Johnny Sutton going after our border agents.
Or John McKay refusing to go after vote fraud in King county.
It's beyond my imagination to see why Bush would orchestrate his own political demise, and the Justice Dept. has not been his friend - or Scooter Libby's.
I think the Dept. is corrupt, but my main issue on this thread was the thread starter posting a rumor that Bush said the constitution was " just a G-Damn piece of paper", then directing me to a vile left wing site as his source.
I've seen that same rumor floating around FR, no one can provide a substantive source, but there's no stopping BDS.
The President doesn't speak that way, and Carrie Okie was not able to provide a source other than a lunatic lefty, so it made me doubt the story he was posting, especially as there has been no language to the bill released.
However, I see that The Swimmer is a co sponsor, so 2 POS's and a dept with dubious intent always adds up to a steaming pile.....though I have not verified the Justice dept. has had anything to do with it.
I'm still going to look for the "loophole" they're talking about to be explained and supported by fact, and have doubts it exists, but I'm not going to get too excited just yet, as the only thing verifyable as of now seems to be FL's press release, and a number and title of a bill with no language.
Contrary to more rumors being spread here, I'm not aware of any actions instigated by President Bush to deny us our 2nd amendment rights during either term or when he was governor, and that's the man who makes the decisions right now.
When Perry says things that make sense,IE:if the criminals do not know who is easy prey,RE: self defense by carrying,it makes one wonder.Gonzales,get out.You do not even have the nads to tell the demonrats to go scratch about their stupid requests for info on dumping attorneys,klintoon did it with impunity.That is all you should have to remind them of.Of ALL the attorneys klintoon fired,many were very adept at their job.Go away.And quit trying to pander to people who would eat you first if they were starving!!
Contrary to more rumors being spread here, I'm not aware of any actions instigated by President Bush to deny us our 2nd amendment rights during either term or when he was governor
Really, then what do you consider the above to be?
If one was pro 2nd amendment, why appoint someone that is clearly a threat to it?
To buy that, you’d have to also assume Bill helped hand power over to George back in 2000.
Would it really be such a stretch, since it may very well be handed back to the Clinton family?
Not at all.
“The Justice Dept.’s Patrick Fitzgerald going after any and all in the White House.”
Patrick, is a Political Hack and appointed special prosecutor; but he was I thought just an anomoly. Now I see the trend....
So Gonzales is behind all this you think? Why won’t Bush fire him!?
At this point in time, I'd call that an unsubstantiated rumor.
If you can offer a direct link to a statement he made or a document he signed confirming it, I'd call it something else.
Contrary to more rumors being spread here, I'm not aware of any actions instigated by President Bush to deny us our 2nd amendment rights during either term or when he was governor
Really, then what do you consider the above to be?
If one was pro 2nd amendment, why appoint someone that is clearly a threat to it?
At this point in time, I'd call that an unsubstantiated rumor.
You're clearly avoiding the above questions.
Go ahead, give them a shot.
You are exactly right . Gonzales has always been anti-gun . He needs to step down for that, and many other reasons . He seems keen on going after Republicans and letting the most corrupt Dims get away with anything.
Ashcroft, come back ,we need you !
So you support this unconstitutional power grab by Gonzales ?
A certain photograph of a child being sent back to a Communist country via a Federal JBT prolly didn't help the Algore.
I am very deeply suspect of his motives, but have not taken the time to collect evidence, so all I can do is suspect - or make an ass of myself, and you can't swing a dead cat around here without slamming into one of them (not refferring to you)
Why won’t Bush fire him!?
That, I do have an opinion on, but it's a really long one, so I'll try to make it brief.
President Bush is a consumate Patriot, a Christian, is extremely humble and honors his position as the leader of this country and therefore the Free World, which instills in him a sense of duty to be compassionate to the meek, stalwart to those looking to him for inspiration, and unmovable to those who wish us harm.
He sets new standards for loyalty, and is forgiving, which his enemies percieve to be his weakness. Sometimes - maybe most of the time - he is overly loyal to those who have no such ambitions.
He tries to lead on his morals to set an example, even if it hurts him personally, and chances that it ultimately hinders his ability to lead.
So, basically, he's a good man that doesn't get rid of the deadwood quick enough, and he tries to please too many people all the time, including - especially the Mexicans who he has come to know, love and respect...he is too close to that one and should recluse himself....and his domestic enemies. I believe he is always looking for ways to bring the country together, and feels he needs to step above the fray if he's going to get anything done at all.
In this time of unprecedented poor manners across the board, there is some logic in that. Should Bush enmesh himself in every fight we want him to right now - Imprisoned Border Patrol, Marines acccused of being butchers for purely political gain, the insanely treasonous media and congress, and amoralists trying to rewrite who we are on a daily basis, he would instantly become mired in the noise, and might as well sequester himself and start a blog. There is a balancing act between keeping momentum and punching A-holes in the nose.
And why should our President have to jump into the middle of a railroad job on the men & women defending our country, both here and abroad? Where the hell are the Presidents men?
Where the hell are the congressmen, governers, generals, intelligence agencies, political insiders, affluent movers and dirt poor grass roots activists?
Why, they've all become common taters, piling on if for no other reason than to see what it's like on top, and to get on top, the perception is you have to come up with a more sensational story than the guy before you.
I don't have anything against constructive criticism toward anyone on the public dole, all the way to the top.
But it's not constructive if it's not balanced, and the only way to balance the criticism out, is to take a critical look at ourselves, and ask if we've done as much to rectify the situation as we could on our own before we started throwing stones at our leader.
I took over 3 weeks from work, play, showers (j/k) this year just to fight a bill that would have guaranteed payment to any sierra club attorney who sued any ORV owner for any imagined violation whatsoever.
The bill was a direct payback for campaign donations from greenies and trial lawyers.
We won, and not once did anyone suggest that it was Bush's job to fight our domestic enemies.
Next spring, the same couple dozen are going to motivate the rest in fighting the same kept congressmen, and we won't blame Bush for it then, either.
We want him to spend his time keeping the explosive vest crowd as far from our lives as possible.
I guess I didn't do a very good job of keeping this short.
Nope. That's not a question, it's a challenge to guess. Plenty of guessers, next aisle over. Help yourself.
This week -- more than two years later -- DOJ recommended the introduction of the "Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2007." The Administration's recommendation came only following last week's tragedy at Virginia Tech and the day before Director Mueller's testimony in front of Sen. Lautenberg at a Senate Appropriations Subcommittee hearing on the FBI's 2008 budget.
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