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To: lizol
Is anyone talking about digging up the remains of the dead Russian soldiers?

This is exactly what those idiots in Tallinn started to do. I saw it on TV yesterday. Just imagine the "party" here in FR, if the French would dig out the remains of fallen US-soldiers to remove them "with dignity" into a "shitty" location near the garbage dump of the town. In France the contemporary US policy isn't really respected either but nobody would ever think about that.

It is a matter of civilization and culture to handle the remains of fallen soldiers with respect. No matter if they are from Russia or not. The Russians were those who fought down the nazi beast. Period. It was not England or America that were really decisive. Hitler lost his fu**ing war in the Russian space (and winter) and because of the resistance of those countries that he had occupied. It is indeed true that Stalin was as worse as Hitler. Nevertheless this fact does not give anybody the right to handle with the remains of Russian soldiers inappropriate. Most of those Russian boys died a heroic death to defend their country (and many other nations). I am sure that they did not think about comrade Stalin when they were shot.

Therefore it is pure idiocy to remove Russian bones/tombs. I also understand that the Ests hate everything that is Russian. A large part of them fought side by side with the SS and Wehrmacht against the Red Army until 1945 after they made their first experience with the Red Army in 1939/40 (that invaded the country at that time). They adopted national socialism as good as they could and after 1945 the Russians made them pay a really high price for that. It is good that they are free today, but their freedom should not make them drunk. They have to deal with the realities of a strong Russian minority and a strong Russian neighbour. Therefore they have to arrange themselves with the realities.

The realities are:

1. We need the Russians for energy.

2. Membership in the civilisation (i.e. EU) should make members behave civilized.

3. They have to solve their problem with the Russian minority.

4. Nobody in western Europe want to invest time into graves in Estonia.

Last but not least: We Germans also where able to arrange ourselves with the Russian monument in Berlin. Why can't the Ests arrange themselves?

19 posted on 04/28/2007 10:14:55 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (In varietate concordia!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Don’t you really understand the difference between American graves in France and Soviet in Estonia ?

“Membership in the civilisation (i.e. EU)”

You should get into your arrogant mind that “homo marriages” and other such “goodies” are not the essence of civilization.

Polish interpretation of history is no doubt different then the one in Estonia, but If we had been them, we would have blown up that thing long time ago.

20 posted on 04/29/2007 2:00:30 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Atlantic Bridge

>>This is exactly what those idiots in Tallinn started to do. I saw it on TV yesterday<<

Don’t believe everything you see... On my TV I saw Russian minority smash shop displays, burn cars, attacked police... that’s what I call idiotic, it’s also a matter of civilization how you handle having different opinion,
oh sorry, things like this happen in “civilized” France also, right?
(On TV there was nothing about digging out graves, they said that graves are near but they are not going to be moved and the Russian youth is protesting because Estonians are purging country from commie leftovers)


23 posted on 04/29/2007 3:07:11 AM PDT by Verdelet (Zeby Polska byla Polska)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Sorry, but there is really no comparison between US liberators buried in Normandy and Red Army conquerors buried in Eastern Europe.


33 posted on 04/29/2007 3:44:12 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Your views are disgusting. You put yourself on the same side as those Russian savages who raped and pillaged their way through eastern Europe during WWII.

Russian are animals. They should be treated as such.

45 posted on 04/29/2007 6:37:18 PM PDT by Clemenza (NO to Rudy in 2008! New York's Values are NOT America's Values! RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Arrogance, ignorance and naivety in one. Interesting post, my congratulations.


70 posted on 05/06/2007 2:14:19 AM PDT by Lukasz
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