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Giuliani's Startling Departure on Civil Unions [Giuliani weaseling]
The New York Sun ^ | April 27, 2007 | RYAN SAGER

Posted on 04/27/2007 3:10:50 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

In a startling departure from his previously stated position on civil unions, Mayor Giuliani came out to The New York Sun yesterday evening in opposition to the civil union law just passed by the New Hampshire state Senate.

" Mayor Giuliani believes marriage is between one man and one woman. Domestic partnerships are the appropriate way to ensure that people are treated fairly," the Giuliani campaign said in a written response to a question from the Sun. "In this specific case the law states same sex civil unions are the equivalent of marriage and recognizes same sex unions from outside states. This goes too far and Mayor Giuliani does not support it."

The Democratic governor of New Hampshire, John Lynch, has said publicly that he will sign the civil union law.

On a February 2004 edition of Fox News's "The O'Reilly Factor," Mr. Giuliani told Bill O'Reilly, when asked if he supported gay marriage, "I'm in favor of … civil unions."

He also said, "Marriage should be reserved for a man and a woman." Asked by Mr. O'Reilly in the interview how he would respond to gay Americans who said being denied access to the institution of marriage violated their rights, Mr. Giuliani said: "That's why you have civil partnerships. So now you have a civil partnership, domestic partnership, civil union, whatever you want to call it, and that takes care of the imbalance, the discrimination, which we shouldn't have." In 1998, as mayor of New York City, Mr. Giuliani signed into law a domestic partnership bill that a gay rights group, the Empire State Pride Agenda, hailed as setting "a new national benchmark for domestic partner recognition."

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; gayagenda; giuliani; giulianitruthfile; prolife; stoprudy2008; veronica
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To: veronica
I am not attacking Fred Thompson BTW.

LOL! You're "not attacking Thompson". Yeah, right. How about posting the FULL quote, then:

"I think that we ought to be a tolerant nation. I think we ought to be tolerant people. But we shouldn't set up special categories for anybody. Marriage is between a man and a woman and I don't believe judges ought to come along and change that."

21 posted on 04/27/2007 4:47:33 AM PDT by kevkrom
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To: veronica

No. Yesterday, the day before and all back through time Giuliani was and remains a gay activist. He didn’t suddenly go straight. He was finally persuaded by his politically astute campaign staff (well, duh), that unless he sheds his extreme leftism, he’s going to go down in flames. Giuliani is simply a liar. A power hungry liar who will now do and say anything to try to win the nomination. Look for him to soon renounce Roe vs Wade and a woman’s right to choose as a good constitutional law. Look for him to go duck hunting and claim he’s a lifetime member of the NRA. I also expect to see him denouncing sanctuary cities as national security risks. “Mistakes were made,” etc. The man’s a sleazy lying whore. And he dresses the part.

Thankfully, conservatives see through this clown.


22 posted on 04/27/2007 4:48:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: veronica
If Fred Thomspon can "change his mind" about CFR, and still be the Great White Hope here, why can't Rudy evolve too??

I thought Rudy was consistent and would pander to no one.

But now you want him to evolve?

Make up your mind.

23 posted on 04/27/2007 4:52:10 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: veronica
"I am not attacking Fred Thompson"

Yeah, you are. You lie like your lib hero. How about taking your contempt for conservatives and conservatism to DU. You've had your iron boot on the necks of conservativism for far too long!

24 posted on 04/27/2007 4:52:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
he still holds a commanding lead in the national polls

Take heart.

One recent poll stated that 70 percent of Republican primary voters were unaware of Rudy's liberal positions on abortion, gay rights and guns.

25 posted on 04/27/2007 4:56:28 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside (Rudy Giuliani is just another "Empty Dress Republican")
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To: Liz

Geez.

What a creep (not you).


26 posted on 04/27/2007 4:59:30 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside (Rudy Giuliani is just another "Empty Dress Republican")
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To: Jim Robinson
Rudy is not a "gay activist" Jim. He has supported the civil rights of gays to a certain degree. As far as "dressing the part" - he wore a costume to an event. The man has a sense of humor. That also could prove that he's not a "power-hungry autocrat" as some here have charged in that he clearly was not projecting into the future and running for POTUS when he donned those costumes, because they have come back to haunt him.

Do you think Fred Thompson is going to be a hard-ass about gay rights?? He won't be. He works in Hollywood for crying out loud.

27 posted on 04/27/2007 5:05:47 AM PDT by veronica
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To: Jim Robinson
Politicians without too many scruples and core principles generally run to the right in primaries and run to the left in the generals.

Guiliani is certainly trying to run to the GOP right as each week reveals new evidence of his flip-flops.....and you can be sure he'll nimbly segue to the more liberal left side in the general if he wins the nomination.

But then it'll be too late to do anything about it.

Leni

28 posted on 04/27/2007 5:06:41 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Bahama Mama ( moi ) planning FReeper vacation week. Not a cruise. It's "FReeps Ashore!" Stay tuned!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I’m willing to have a civil conversation about this with anyone here. Hyperbole and name-calling doesn't appeal to me.
29 posted on 04/27/2007 5:08:47 AM PDT by veronica
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To: veronica
Ah, the liberal has awoken this morning to continue her campaign of dissing conservatives and promoting liberalism. Keep walking in to the liiiiiiiiiiiight.....
30 posted on 04/27/2007 5:10:59 AM PDT by dmw (Conservatives DON'T vote for liberals.)
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To: veronica

Sheesh. Just keep lying and spinning for your pixie dust fairy, lady. Tells the world exactly who and what you are. Giuliani has never lied about being a gay rights activist. He’s in your face and proud of it. It defines him as a man! Of course he’s going straight tomorrow. Bwhahahahah! What a slimeball.


31 posted on 04/27/2007 5:12:28 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: gotribe
He’s no more a hypocrite than our own small-government, secure borders president. Take your pick

While I have my differences with Bush on a number of important issues, there is no way you can compare the two. There is nothing conservative about Rudy, but he thinks that the fear campaign he is running pretending he is the only candidate who can fight the WOT will be enough to obscure his otherwise liberal agenda. No thanks, I ain't buying it, and I hope my fellow conservatives can open their eyes to Rudy's cynical ploy before it is too late.

32 posted on 04/27/2007 5:12:56 AM PDT by yuta250
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To: veronica
Rudy is not a "gay activist" Jim.

If he marches in their parades, is a keynote speaker at their fundraising events and offers to be the first mayor in the nation to marry a gay couple, I think that you can call him an activist.

33 posted on 04/27/2007 5:13:05 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside (Rudy Giuliani is just another "Empty Dress Republican")
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To: veronica
He has supported the civil rights of gays to a certain degree.

Heck, he marched in gay parades. And his cross-dressing in some cases was for gay fundraisers.

34 posted on 04/27/2007 5:13:27 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: kevkrom
"Marriage is between a man and a woman and I don't believe judges ought to come along and change that." - Fred Thompson.

Rudy Interviewed by Hannity... "GIULIANI: Marriage should be between a man and a woman. Here's exactly the position I've always had. And it's the same -- and I feel the same way about it today that I did eight, 10 years ago when I signed the domestic partnership legislation: Marriage should be between a man and a woman. It should remain that way."

35 posted on 04/27/2007 5:13:54 AM PDT by veronica
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To: veronica; Calpernia; narses; wagglebee
Rudy is not a "gay activist" Jim. He has supported the civil rights of gays to a certain degree.

*coughStonewallVeteranscough*

36 posted on 04/27/2007 5:14:15 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: veronica

Take it somewhere that people talk civilly about promoting liberals, socialists, socialism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, gun control, illegal aliens, etc. Hint you won’t find it here. Take your conservative trashing to a place where people will appreciate it. Try DU.


37 posted on 04/27/2007 5:15:30 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
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38 posted on 04/27/2007 5:16:20 AM PDT by Sister_T (The Axis of Idiocy: The LameStream Media, The DemocRATS and the "peaceful" anti-war moonbats)
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To: veronica
Hyperbole and name-calling doesn't appeal to me.

And out-of-context quotes used to run down actual conservatives (as opposed to gun-grabbing, abortion-endorsing, gay-rights-peddling, tax-increasing, government-growing liberals) don't appeal to me either.

39 posted on 04/27/2007 5:16:40 AM PDT by kevkrom
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To: gotribe
He’s no more a hypocrite than our own small-government, secure borders president. Take your pick.

I think you'd be hard pressed to cite many speeches in which "I" campaigned for secure borders or for small government. This is why, even though FReepers eventually voted for "me" overwhelmingly, many of them held and still hold reservations about "me".

Still, for those who bought into the slogan, "If nothing else, vote for Bush for the judges", well, I think the Court spoke pretty well this week that we've made progress.

40 posted on 04/27/2007 5:16:46 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP รท Rudi = Hillary)
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