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Giuliani's Startling Departure on Civil Unions [Giuliani weaseling]
The New York Sun ^ | April 27, 2007 | RYAN SAGER

Posted on 04/27/2007 3:10:50 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

In a startling departure from his previously stated position on civil unions, Mayor Giuliani came out to The New York Sun yesterday evening in opposition to the civil union law just passed by the New Hampshire state Senate.

" Mayor Giuliani believes marriage is between one man and one woman. Domestic partnerships are the appropriate way to ensure that people are treated fairly," the Giuliani campaign said in a written response to a question from the Sun. "In this specific case the law states same sex civil unions are the equivalent of marriage and recognizes same sex unions from outside states. This goes too far and Mayor Giuliani does not support it."

The Democratic governor of New Hampshire, John Lynch, has said publicly that he will sign the civil union law.

On a February 2004 edition of Fox News's "The O'Reilly Factor," Mr. Giuliani told Bill O'Reilly, when asked if he supported gay marriage, "I'm in favor of … civil unions."

He also said, "Marriage should be reserved for a man and a woman." Asked by Mr. O'Reilly in the interview how he would respond to gay Americans who said being denied access to the institution of marriage violated their rights, Mr. Giuliani said: "That's why you have civil partnerships. So now you have a civil partnership, domestic partnership, civil union, whatever you want to call it, and that takes care of the imbalance, the discrimination, which we shouldn't have." In 1998, as mayor of New York City, Mr. Giuliani signed into law a domestic partnership bill that a gay rights group, the Empire State Pride Agenda, hailed as setting "a new national benchmark for domestic partner recognition."

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; gayagenda; giuliani; giulianitruthfile; prolife; stoprudy2008; veronica
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To: SJackson
I've read the posts, i see worse that that here everyday. This isn't about lying or the nature of the source. It's about supressing criticism of selective GOP candidates. Which is certainly FR's perrogative. But see it for what it is.

If you or anyone else has legitimate criticisms, bring them on. Lies and half-truths are not acceptable, especially when used to prop up candidates who are about as anti-conservative as you can get.

301 posted on 04/27/2007 11:04:45 AM PDT by kevkrom
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To: Sam Cree
Are you allowed to criticize “conservative” candidates if you are not a Rudy booster?

You mean candidates with zipper problems, like Newt "Al Gore" Gingrich.

Sure, on the issues or on his personal defects.

John McCain, who's ACU rating is rather close to Thompsons, 83 vs 86, you can criticize him too.

Romney, no zipper problem, but he's a Mormon, criticize away.

302 posted on 04/27/2007 11:06:20 AM PDT by SJackson (restoring the Jews to their homeland is a noble dream shared by many Americans, A. Lincoln)
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To: SJackson
It's about supressing criticism of selective GOP candidates.

This thread puts the lie to that:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1824302/posts

303 posted on 04/27/2007 11:06:33 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks a lot for doing this research on Rudy. There is still a lot to be learned about him and I do not think any of it is going to be good for conservatives.


304 posted on 04/27/2007 11:07:59 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: SJackson
It's about supressing criticism of selective GOP candidates.

No it isn't. Can you honestly answer the questions I posed in my #243 with anything other than some variant of "Yes, she did." for each question?

305 posted on 04/27/2007 11:09:58 AM PDT by kevkrom
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To: veronica
Rudy has made no secrets whatsoever about his liberal views. We do not need that guy anywhere near the President’s office. I do not understand why people on a conservative site would support his liberal views.
306 posted on 04/27/2007 11:10:30 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: dirtboy
Horsecrap. You can claim that all you want. But the NewsMax article was a clear misrepresentation. And that's never been accepted on FR without challenge.

You're right. He're a Newmax article from yesterday which is a complete misrepresentation.

Christians in bull's-eye in new 'hate crimes' plan [Urgent we block Giuliani and gay agenda!]

Criticized up and down the thread.

Perhaps we should ban the poster and those Freepers who defended the kool aid.

307 posted on 04/27/2007 11:10:33 AM PDT by SJackson (restoring the Jews to their homeland is a noble dream shared by many Americans, A. Lincoln)
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To: Sam Cree

I understand.


308 posted on 04/27/2007 11:10:50 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: SJackson
Perhaps we should ban the poster and those Freepers who defended the kool aid.

Link is not working.

309 posted on 04/27/2007 11:13:30 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: yuta250

I think there is something in the water they are drinking. When I started learning more and more about his liberal views, I quit being a supporter.


310 posted on 04/27/2007 11:15:38 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: SJackson

“It’s about supressing criticism of selective GOP candidates.”

It’s about supporting conservatism on a conservative website by only insisting that those supporting the liberal/Giuliani in the race, don’t use misrepresentation of conservative candidates to support a liberal/Giuliani.

Not rocket science...no suppression either, just site rules. There are plenty of liberal sites available as well as liberal GOP sites. There is the new but horribly formatted Wake...something and the Darwin site, though one of the mods there is having second thoughts about its relevance and the owner.


311 posted on 04/27/2007 11:18:38 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s crystal clear that Rootie will say anything to get power. That’s kind of scary.


312 posted on 04/27/2007 11:21:30 AM PDT by LibKill ("RUDY GIULIANI" is just "HILLARY CLINTON" misspelled and wearing a dress.)
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To: SJackson

I’m confused now by the nature of the event, as your statements of fact about it are at odds with what I thought was the case. Rather than continue this now, I am going to go back to read the original news articles from 1995 regarding the incident and the circumstances, and then I will be more educated to speak further.

For now, I thank you for the exchange.


313 posted on 04/27/2007 11:23:45 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Skywarner

When so called conservatives start pushing a liberal on this site, then we should make our views known. Why are they supporting a liberal? Is it because they are liberals who say they are conservatives?


314 posted on 04/27/2007 11:24:00 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: rbmillerjr
It’s about supporting conservatism on a conservative website by only insisting that those supporting the liberal/Giuliani in the race, don’t use misrepresentation of conservative candidates to support a liberal/Giuliani.

Far more about the liberal candidate than misrepresentation.

Do you believe Al Gore=Newt Gingrich?

Should that opinion be banned?

315 posted on 04/27/2007 11:24:23 AM PDT by SJackson (restoring the Jews to their homeland is a noble dream shared by many Americans, A. Lincoln)
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To: kevkrom; dirtboy
I've seen many threads, I've seen the people who have been banned, I've seen the general level of conversation on FR which includes commentary like this on a daily basis, so I'm not convinced.

The bannings are about support for Guiliani, who is a liberal GOP candidate. Nothing more.

316 posted on 04/27/2007 11:24:38 AM PDT by SJackson (restoring the Jews to their homeland is a noble dream shared by many Americans, A. Lincoln)
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To: dirtboy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1823754/posts


317 posted on 04/27/2007 11:25:44 AM PDT by SJackson (restoring the Jews to their homeland is a noble dream shared by many Americans, A. Lincoln)
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To: SJackson
The bannings are about support for Guiliani, who is a liberal GOP candidate. Nothing more.

Wrong. There are still many pro-Rudy posters here. The ones who trashed either conservative candidates or conservative values are not.

318 posted on 04/27/2007 11:26:27 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: SJackson

LOL, there are many Giuliani supporters on the board. They are still here...so that disqualifies your claim.


319 posted on 04/27/2007 11:27:30 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: SJackson
I've seen many threads, I've seen the people who have been banned, I've seen the general level of conversation on FR which includes commentary like this on a daily basis, so I'm not convinced. The bannings are about support for Guiliani, who is a liberal GOP candidate. Nothing more.

Plenty of pro-Rudy folks still hanging around. They're just not trying to tear down conservatives to promote him.

Again, answer the questions from #243. The poster has been a Guiliani supporter for some time, so why the ban now? Because she knowingly and willfully spread false information designed to tear down a conservative to make Guiliani look better in comparison, and disregarded repeated warnings from Jim to stop.

320 posted on 04/27/2007 11:28:53 AM PDT by kevkrom
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