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To: CharlesWayneCT
What I am trying to say is that FR is a conservative site to espouse conservative values, defend them against the attacks of the left, and to sell them to the nation as the only good and right way for our country to move forward.

What you are not acknowledging, or understanding, is that the center has shifted left to a great degree, largely because of the war and the newer voters moving into the system.

To hold on to old definitions of what is conservative right, center and left is a mistake.

The momentum is in the other direction, and to swim upstream like a doomed salmon in a National election is problematic at best. The 2006 results should have warned you to this new reality. The liberal bear will be gleefully eating your quivering carcass in 2008, if you persist in fighting against the flow.

To some, to capitulate would be a abandonment of principle, but there are no principles in politics. There is only political realities and compromises.

4,712 posted on 04/23/2007 8:41:28 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: Cold Heat
To some, to capitulate would be a abandonment of principle, but there are no principles in politics. There is only political realities and compromises.

Pretty astute comment.

4,721 posted on 04/23/2007 8:49:38 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Cold Heat
To some, to capitulate would be a abandonment of principle, but there are no principles in politics. There is only political realities and compromises.

Stalin could have given voice to such opinions.

Or a Frenchman.

4,722 posted on 04/23/2007 8:51:43 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: Cold Heat; Jim Robinson
The momentum is in the other direction, and to swim upstream like a doomed salmon in a National election is problematic at best. The 2006 results should have warned you to this new reality. The liberal bear will be gleefully eating your quivering carcass in 2008, if you persist in fighting against the flow.

Posts like this are designed exclusively to demoralize and defeat conservatives and conservatism before the battle has even commenced.

I have never seen a more anti-conservative, or a more egregious, post on this website, ever.

4,733 posted on 04/23/2007 8:58:27 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: Cold Heat
"....there are no principles in politics."

'Tis only so when you have no principles to uphold. Politics change like tides and shift like sands of the beach; true principles remain as the level of the horizon; whether sometimes obscured by storm and haze or seen in perfect clarity.

4,746 posted on 04/23/2007 9:03:41 AM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Cold Heat
The 2006 results should have warned you to this new reality.

The 2006 elections should stand as a warning that turncoat Republicans who abandon those who elected them will need to find a new job in the private sector.

4,747 posted on 04/23/2007 9:03:47 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!)
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To: Cold Heat
To some, to capitulate would be a abandonment of principle, but there are no principles in politics. There is only political realities and compromises.

Your post is added to my proof file about how RINOs always draw the one hundred and eighty degree wrong conclusion from any given set of events.

4,749 posted on 04/23/2007 9:04:14 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: Cold Heat

Who cares where the “center has shifted”? Truth has not shifted. Right has not shifted. The laws of nature have not been repealed, conservative values are what will make our country great.

If you are trapped in a building, and it is on fire, and there is only one right way out, if the “tide shifts” and people don’t believe you and they are all walking to the wrong exit, going along with them and leading them to that exit isn’t a good strategy,

That is, unless your goal was to be in charge, rather than actually accomplishing something.

If the center moved left, and I doubt it, the answer isn’t to move with it, it is to use sites like this to train smart people how to defend conservative principles so we can go out and remind people of the truth and teach them the error of their ways.

We can’t do that if we are spending all our time fighting a rear guard attack on our conservatism on our own site by people pushing a liberal candidate.


4,785 posted on 04/23/2007 9:23:41 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Cold Heat

You wasted that many words to say “I’m afraid of Democrats”?


4,831 posted on 04/23/2007 9:54:37 AM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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