[llevrok]

Russian farmers farmed northern Siberia for centuries. When the area became cold and desolate, the farmers moved south.

The crux of the whole issue, IMHO, is that environmentalists think they can manage nature, rather than adapt.

Unlike the Russian farmers in days of old, they do not want to adapt. They want nature to adapt to their perception of how nature should be.

The problem with that is their perception is a static view of nature rather than understanding that nature itself is always changing.

[penowa]

"...environmentalists think they can manage nature..."

Nah! They know they can't manage nature, but that isn't what they are all about. Environmentalists know they can manage the sheeple if they can just scare them into putting them in charge of the sheeple's lives. Greenie Weenies = Oldtime Commies pretending to care about the environment to fool the morons

[Kay Ludlow]

They want nature to adapt to their perception of how nature should be.

The problem with that is their perception is a static view of nature rather than understanding that nature itself is always changing.

You are exactly right! Their perceptions of what the natural world is like are downright strange, many of them are urban and not spent much time in the natural world, and many others have lived in rural areas but moved so often they don't realize a tree can mature AND DIE within their lifetime.

One of the environmentalists at our own local "conservancy" group, as part of a discussion on putting trees along stream, took off on a little rant about how "there is no reason, absolutely NO REASON, that there shouldn't be native brown trout there" about a section of the creek that hasn't ever been known to have brown trout - it's been KNOWN to be an intermittent stream. Nonetheless, she sits in her office with her vision of how each stream and forest SHOULD be, and writes up government grant applications to get money to make it that way.

Many communities around the country are getting "natural heritage surveys" done, since various levels of government are paying for it. They don't realize that the impetus behind the surveys is to develop data to use to show what needs to be done to get to the 'right' mix of species - how many deer are appropriate, how many squirrels, how much poison ivy, how many snails and skinks, so they can work toward 'restoring our natural heritage'. Unlike the people of the worlds great religions who recognize a power greater than themselves, these people think they have the ability and the obligation to put everything in nature to rights. They are Gaia worshipers, but they don't think Gaia is more powerful than they are...

[attiladhun2]

Unlike the Russian farmers in days of old, they do not want to adapt

They do not want to adapt, because they believe an all-powerful government can solve every problem by just micro-managing everything, passing laws and raising taxes. There is a word for this state of mind. It is called:
HUBRIS

[goldstategop]

Environmentalists think man has no right to manage Nature and tame the wilderness. They think Man is a blight upon the earth. In contrast, we believe harnessing Nature and taming the wilderness benefits both wild beasts and Man. And we think Man is the good steward of the bounty of the earth.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus