What I do know is that the roads past and through all those campuses are filled with vehicles carrying CB radios and guns. And the people in those vehicles, whether police and fire officials or not, would not hesitate to step in with guns drawn, if need be.
John / Billybob
You said — Those “bans” of course apply only to those who choose to obey that “law.”
Of course, that’s true. But, in all the cases where we’ve heard about these kinds of shootings, it hasn’t come out with a “good ending” where someone decided that they were not going to obey the ban. In about all the cases, it turns out that the legal and legitimate gun owner has obeyed the law. And *thus* — that’s the very problem. Either you’re going to start a movement which say, “Hell no, we won’t obey!” — or — you’re going to have to get the laws change.
And, I don’t think the “disobey the law” route is going to work very well for the gun owners, here.
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But, at Virginia Tech there were all sorts of others who were very willing to “rush in” and take care of the situation. As you know (and all other who have read), it was all over by the time anyone from outside could “rush in”. So, that really doesn’t do much good.
In fact, one of the spokesperson for changing the laws in that regard is a woman whose parents were killed in a Luby’s restaurant (I believe in Texas). She *did have* a gun, but she obeyed the law and left the gun out in the vehicle. The problem was, even though the vehicle was just right out in the parking lot — she couldn’t get to it and back again — before her parents were both dead.
And so, that’s the *nitty gritty* of the situation here...
Regards,
Star Traveler
As a fellow Western NC resident I can confirm your assumptions about guns in the home. In fact I just went to the range yesterday and worked out with my .22 for warmup and .45 for fun.
My daughter went to Appalachian. She’s coming over for dinner Sunday and I sure intend to ask her if she knew of any guns on campus when she was in attendance 4 years ago. She’s a pretty good pistol shot by the way.
WCU prohibits weapons in the residence halls, but the student handbook says nothing about "on campus". But see below:
UNC-A's Resident handbook states: "Possession or use, whether open or concealed, of any weapon while on public or private university-owned property is a felony, and a violation of state law, punishable by a fine of up to $500 or six months’ imprisonment, or both.
Possession of a Concealed Weapon Permit does not entitle individuals to carry concealed weapons of any kind on university-owned property. Weapons include, but are not limited to, guns, rifles, pistols, explosives, paintball guns, BB guns, bowie knives, crossbows, daggers, switchblade knives, metallic knuckles, throwing stars, knives of more than six inches when opened. Weapons, ammunition, fireworks, gasoline, oil and other combustible or explosive materials are not permitted in or around the residence halls"
Similarly the Duke University Polices state:
It is against North Carolina state law and university policy to possess a gun, rifle, pistol, or other firearm of any kind, or any powerful explosive on university property. Likewise, students are not permitted to possess on campus any weapon, including mace, BB gun, stun gun, paintball gun, air rifle, air pistol, sword, bowie knife, dagger, slingshot, switchblade knife, blackjack, and metallic knuckles.
So apperently the situation is actually *worse* in North Carolina than in Virginia. In Virginia it is only local policy that prohibits faculty, staff, and eligible students from being armed, in North Carolina, it's state law.
And sure enough, her s the statute that does the deed. GS_14-269.2
(b) It shall be a Class I felony for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any gun, rifle, pistol, or other firearm of any kind on educational property or to a curricular or extracurricular activity sponsored by a school. Unless the conduct is covered under some other provision of law providing greater punishment, any person who willfully discharges a firearm of any kind on educational property is guilty of a Class F felony. However, this subsection does not apply to a BB gun, stun gun, air rifle, or air pistol.
Apparently if you happen to be driving through campus, and are not a student, staff or faculty, it's only a Class 1 misdemeanor.
I think y'all need to work on your state laws, as do Virginia and Texas
Texas Penal Code: § 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm[0], illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a): (1) on the physical premises of a school[0] or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school[0] or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school[0] or educational institution, whether the school[0] or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution;