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Why Russian Submarines Sink And American Submarines Don't [12/16/2000]
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| December 16, 2000
| Admiral Valery Alexin
Posted on 04/20/2007 9:17:16 AM PDT by Fennie
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posted on
04/20/2007 9:17:19 AM PDT
by
Fennie
To: Fennie
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posted on
04/20/2007 9:23:41 AM PDT
by
Paradox
(Secular Conservative, thank God!)
To: Fennie
we had the Thresher and the Scorpion, so we’re not infallable.
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posted on
04/20/2007 9:23:45 AM PDT
by
camle
(keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
To: Fennie
As I understand it, I believe that the fuel that the Russkies use in their torpedoes is unstable.
To: Fennie
Is it design flaws, operator errors or a combination of both?
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posted on
04/20/2007 9:27:07 AM PDT
by
magslinger
(“gun free school zone” = “victim-rich environment”-L98Fiero)
To: Fennie
The Kursk tragedy in the Barents Sea happened on August 12, 2000 due to unknown reasons Anybody know what happened to the Kursk Conspiracy Theory regarding a purported collision with the American sub USS Toledo ?
Or maybe they just need to get rid of the screen doors.
BUMP
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posted on
04/20/2007 9:28:53 AM PDT
by
capitalist229
(Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
To: Fennie
I think their biggest problem is they are doing a lot more with a lot less. This is just a casual observance, but it seems like the Russians these days have a lot fewer career military than in the past, not to mention their budgets in the tanker for some things. I’ve read that they’ve even had problems with paying their service members. If that’s the case, it’s a wonder they have anything that doesn’t end up on the bottom.
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posted on
04/20/2007 9:29:03 AM PDT
by
af_vet_rr
To: camle
“we had the Thresher and the Scorpion, so were not infallable.”
No one is “infallable”(sic), but a 39 year run ain’t too shabby.
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posted on
04/20/2007 9:29:14 AM PDT
by
Roccus
(We finally consign Marxism to the dustbin of history, and it turns out it’s a recycling bin.)
To: Fennie
The largest difference by far is the Dollars (or Rubles) spent on maintenance.
Pure and simple.
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posted on
04/20/2007 9:31:38 AM PDT
by
roaddog727
(BullS##t does not get bridges built)
To: capitalist229
I thought there was pretty compelling circumstantial evidence of a torpedo malfunction sinking Kursk.
To: af_vet_rr
I think their biggest problem is they are doing a lot more with a lot less.If I may add - looking at Russian design (industrial or military) over the last 75 years - they always seem to build larger and more grand than the West. It doesn't mean more sophisticated, sound or advanced.
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posted on
04/20/2007 9:35:57 AM PDT
by
llevrok
("It's time to grab the bull by the tail and face the situation!" - W.C. Fields)
To: Fennie
If the same problem had sunk all 3, he would have had a better case for design failure. Given that his 3 examples occured in 3 different locations (stern, missle tube, bow), I’d look to training issues rather than to design faults.
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posted on
04/20/2007 9:36:58 AM PDT
by
PAR35
To: Fennie
Are Russian submarines ‘dry’?
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posted on
04/20/2007 9:37:03 AM PDT
by
null and void
(To Marines, male bonding happens in Boot Camp, to Democrats, it happens at a Gay Pride parade...)
To: Fennie
The screen doors didn’t shut tight enough..........
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posted on
04/20/2007 9:38:02 AM PDT
by
Leatherneck_MT
(Won't vote for a liberal in the democrat party, won't vote for one in the Republican party. Ever)
To: Roccus
No one is infallable(sic), but a 39 year run aint too shabby.Don't count out luck and skill in the two fairly recent collisions. One of those was a very near thing, and the other could have turned out badly.
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posted on
04/20/2007 9:39:08 AM PDT
by
PAR35
To: PAR35
Luck is the residue of design...skill needs no explaination.
Could we have another sub go down, absolutely. Anytime man endeavors out of his element, catastrophe is a possibility.
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posted on
04/20/2007 9:46:21 AM PDT
by
Roccus
(We finally consign Marxism to the dustbin of history, and it turns out it’s a recycling bin.)
To: af_vet_rr
I think their biggest problem is they are doing a lot more with a lot less. Um, this article was written in 2000..
I don't think that's an issue anymore, since the subs haven't been sinking lately. (Except for that museum sub after the Northeaster)..
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posted on
04/20/2007 9:46:26 AM PDT
by
Experiment 6-2-6
(Admn Mods: tiny, malicious things that glare and gibber from dark corners.They have pins and dolls..)
To: magslinger
It’s the screen doors they installed.
To: Fennie
They run their submarines over 7 years before they put them in drydock.
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posted on
04/20/2007 9:48:23 AM PDT
by
bmwcyle
( Freep Fox they drop the ball on GOE)
To: Fennie
In before the obligatory “screen door” post ... oh, wait, my bad.
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