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New rhetoric in SCOTUS abortion ruling (Ginsgerg: Stop calling a 2nd trimester "fetus" a "baby")
Associated Press ^ | 04/19/07 | PETE YOST

Posted on 04/19/2007 9:56:32 AM PDT by presidio9

Ever since Roe v. Wade in 1973, graphic descriptions of abortion have been staples of abortion opponents. Abortion rights advocates have preferred more scientific terms. Neither is by accident.

The Supreme Court adopted the more graphic approach Wednesday as a conservative majority of justices upheld a nationwide ban on a controversial abortion procedure.

"The way in which the fetus will be killed ... is of legitimate concern" to the government, the majority said.

In opinions after Roe v. Wade, the decision saying a woman has a constitutional right to abortion, clinical terminology has been the order of the day at the court.

All that changed in 2000, when Justice Anthony Kennedy described abortion procedures in painstaking detail. He did so as a dissenter in Stenberg v. Carhart, the ruling striking down Nebraska's ban on what opponents call partial-birth abortions.

"Repeated references to sources understandable only to a trained physician may obscure matters for persons not trained in medical terminology," Kennedy wrote in 2000. "Thus it seems necessary at the outset to set forth what may happen during an abortion."

Kennedy then explained abortion procedures in explicit terms that hadn't been seen previously at the court. The break with tradition prompted Justice John Paul Stevens to note in a concurring opinion, "Much ink is spilled today describing the gruesome nature of late-term abortion procedures."

Kennedy returned to form Wednesday when he wrote the decision of the court.

"It is self-evident that a mother who comes to regret her choice to abort must struggle with grief more anguished and sorrow more profound when she learns ... what she once did not know: that she allowed a doctor to pierce the skull and vacuum the fast-developing brain of her unborn child," Kennedy wrote.

In a forceful dissent, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg suggested that Kennedy's word-choice goes too far.

"Throughout, the opinion refers to obstetrician-gynecologists and surgeons who perform abortions not by the titles of their medical specialties, but by the pejorative label `abortion doctor,'" wrote Ginsburg. "A fetus is described as an 'unborn child,' and as a 'baby;' second-trimester, previability abortions are referred to as 'late-term.'"


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; partialbirthabortion; prolife; ruthbaderginsburg
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To: presidio9

An obvious attempt on her part to abstract the language to make the unborn child appear non-human. A favorite trick of the pro-abort mentality. The term “products of conception” is another term they like use.


81 posted on 04/19/2007 11:09:20 AM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: devolve

Looks very cute, they’re jivin!


82 posted on 04/19/2007 11:10:14 AM PDT by potlatch
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To: IL Republican
Who is right?

You are, at least here in Massachusetts, of all places.

83 posted on 04/19/2007 11:24:54 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: presidio9
Every time I went to visit her, the doctor always reffered to "the fetus" instead of "the baby." It really creeped me out.

Well, since he's a doctor, at least he has an excuse.

How about this. After my wife miscarried, her brother told her, "I'm sorry you lost the fetus." We were both creeped out.

84 posted on 04/19/2007 11:27:33 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: presidio9
"A fetus is described as an 'unborn child,' and as a 'baby;'

Oh, the horror!...

85 posted on 04/19/2007 11:28:04 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Ginsberg: “It blurs the line, firmly drawn in Casey,between previability and postviability abortions.”

Wait a minute. What is this “firmly drawn” line? Is this sophistry or what?


86 posted on 04/19/2007 11:33:42 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
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To: Aquinasfan

Which begs the question: Why would anybody be sorry they lost a fetus? Isn’t that what fetuses (feti?) are there for? To be gotten rid of?

Saying that it’s a “baby” means that you want to keep it. If it’s a “fetus,” you don’t.


87 posted on 04/19/2007 11:35:37 AM PDT by presidio9 (Suspended for posting an article about Scalia and Arthur Miller arguing at SCOTUS. Seriously.)
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To: presidio9

Six Months In Utero

Only someone with truly evil intentions to justify a truly evil act against this being would insist that he/she not be referred to as a "baby". Evil incarnate.

88 posted on 04/19/2007 11:35:40 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (If you're conservative, then support a conservative candidate. Support Duncan Hunter for POTUS.)
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To: presidio9

The truth hurts.


89 posted on 04/19/2007 11:39:57 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: presidio9

If you control the language, you control everything.


90 posted on 04/19/2007 11:42:07 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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To: Dan(9698)
DELIVER the baby. (smacking head in discovery)

That's how you're supposed to "terminate" a pregnancy.

duh!

91 posted on 04/19/2007 11:43:21 AM PDT by MooseMan
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To: Badeye
She seems to be a rather miserable human being.

You have just described all liberals/leftists in general and the entire dhimmicrat party in specific.

92 posted on 04/19/2007 11:45:07 AM PDT by twntaipan (Who needs jihad when you have the dhimmicrats?)
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To: mvpel

That fetus looks A LOT like a baby.


93 posted on 04/19/2007 11:46:44 AM PDT by MooseMan
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To: devolve

Missed this one too, you have been busy!!


94 posted on 04/19/2007 11:47:51 AM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

I love it when I can see a new .gif and a day or so later think of how it use it with a previous .gif

Added 150x0 TP at IM

Composited +0+0/South

Smartcropped at GW and resized slightly to 260x260 - reset delay to 10 and uploaded it

I could visualize the completed animated graphic perfectly before I started it


95 posted on 04/19/2007 11:48:15 AM PDT by devolve ( ........upload images free & fast at tinypic.com or Photobucket or Imagecave)
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To: twntaipan

‘She seems to be a rather miserable human being.’

“You have just described all liberals/leftists in general and the entire dhimmicrat party in specific.”

Yes, as a matter of fact, I did....(chuckle)


96 posted on 04/19/2007 11:48:31 AM PDT by Badeye (Sally's not well? No kidding....)
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To: MooseMan
That's how you're supposed to "terminate" a pregnancy.

duh!

It "terminated" the pregnancy and gave us a Grandson.

It also solved the uremic poisoning. She recovered very rapidly.

97 posted on 04/19/2007 11:48:41 AM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; OB1kNOb

Wait a minute. What is this “firmly drawn” line? Is this sophistry or what?

I guess that we need to draw the line at the current record, which is held by Amillia Sonja Taylor. Little Amelia was born on October 24, 2006, and went home in February with no major long-term medical complications. Therefore, 5 months and ten days is a proven “firmly drawn” line of viability. However, to be on the safe side (and because I like round figures), I would personally recommend 5 months at this point (and medical science is sure to catch up soon anyway), or a month earlier than the "fetus" pictured in Ben's photo in the pervious post.

98 posted on 04/19/2007 11:49:37 AM PDT by presidio9 (Suspended for posting an article about Scalia and Arthur Miller arguing at SCOTUS. Seriously.)
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To: devolve

Yes, you are enjoying it.


99 posted on 04/19/2007 11:50:41 AM PDT by potlatch
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It’s a baby; we’re right to say so, and we all have to keep saying so.

I have begun to use the term “dismembered while alive” to describe abortion, and though it causes some to cringe, I really don’t care.


100 posted on 04/19/2007 11:51:16 AM PDT by dellbabe68
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