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Ishmael's Axe
http://external.oneonta.edu/cooper/articles/suny/2001suny-pikus.html ^

Posted on 04/17/2007 11:25:47 AM PDT by TexasBud

One possible source of the gunman's reference to "Ismail Ax" on inside of his arm is... James Fenimore Cooper's The Prairie. Character Ishmael Bush had an axe. "And the axe, which created and transformed through destruction, clears the figurative way for the deflowering of the New World."

The axe is apparently both literal and symbolic, and references are made about the character's having moved from the east to the west, creating change through the destruction (using the axe), and the like. Just a possibility, esp. for someone who was an English major?


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KEYWORDS: gunman; ishmaelsaxe; ishmailsaxe; ismail; ismailsaxe; vatech
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To: null and void

I agree on the ears.

Left picture seems like a “weak” chin. Hairline seems off.

I just don’t know.


201 posted on 04/17/2007 3:05:34 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: null and void
So, rather than sending him to a local shrink they shipped him 11,000 miles away?

There are things called e-mail correspondence, articles in libraries, articles on the Internet, etc.

202 posted on 04/17/2007 3:05:36 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson ("ISMAIL AX" is really "ISMAIL AK".)
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To: TexasBud

Mark for later.


203 posted on 04/17/2007 3:06:15 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: pollyannaish; cardinal4

I don’t remember authorizing this low-life to use my screen name. Where’s my lawyer?


204 posted on 04/17/2007 3:07:22 PM PDT by Ax (Hillary: I'll teach Fidel and Kim Jong Il how to make communism work.)
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To: freeperfromnj
His forehead, the skin condition on his forehead, the hairline and eyebrows are a match. He’s a bit chubbier and not smiling in the later picture (could be he wasn’t on meds then).

Compare the nose width, especially with the two front on pictures. The one guy seems to have a much wider nose than the other. But, maybe I'm not taking something into consideration. And the large coincidence of them both having the same name, and then the mention of Ismail on both, is hard to just ignore as well. I'm perplexed. Truly.
205 posted on 04/17/2007 3:08:19 PM PDT by mutley
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To: null and void

Based on the postings on that site the photo is from, people seem to be concluding it can’t be the same dude.

The chin, also, is too different - the guy on the right has a wider and more prominent chin, and not caused just by smiling

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Max2046 says:
It’s NOT the VTech killer. This guy is a computer major, and, according to the blog, dated Jul 5, 2006: “...sedang belajar bahasa Indonesia selama 2 bulan di WH. Setelah itu dia akan pergi ke Palembang untuk mengajar komputer di STM selama 2 tahun.”

Roughly translated: “currently studying the Indonesian language for 2 months at WH. After this he will go to Palembang to teach computer at STM for 2 years.”
Posted 44 minutes ago. ( permalink )

thalassamikra says:
It is very, very clear from both posts by Elda that this Seung Hoo (Seung Hoo mind you, not Seung Hui, which is the name of the VT killer) is from Korea, not from the US.

He only speaks Korean fluently, and speaks a little Bahasa Indonesia. He cannot speak English fluently. He came to Indonesia directly from South Korea, not via the US.

Hopefully people can move on now and stop harassing Elda just because her friend chose to call himself Ismail (the other Korean students chose other Indonesian names like Jian and Indra)


206 posted on 04/17/2007 3:08:33 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Charles Henrickson
OK. But given the flames some posts I've made have provoked (even one on this thread) due to lack of intonation, facial expression and body language, Dr. AK must be REALLY good!
207 posted on 04/17/2007 3:09:34 PM PDT by null and void (To Marines, male bonding happens in Boot Camp, to Democrats, it happens at a Gay Pride parade...)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Damm! Another beautiful theory ruined by ugly facts!
208 posted on 04/17/2007 3:11:29 PM PDT by null and void (To Marines, male bonding happens in Boot Camp, to Democrats, it happens at a Gay Pride parade...)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

I worked with a guy from Taiwan and his American nickname was nothing like his Taiwanese name. He said when they began learning English in grade school (in Taiwan) the teacher gave them American names to use just going down the row (Allen, Bob, Betty, Jane, Chuck, etc.). His stuck!


209 posted on 04/17/2007 3:12:31 PM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Duh. Yes, I know that. What I don’t know, anymore than you do, is whether the name on his arm referred to THAT Ishmael or something else. The common assumption that it must is just, well, dumb.


210 posted on 04/17/2007 3:13:47 PM PDT by lugsoul (Livin' in fear is just another way of dying before your time. - Mike Cooley)
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To: Charles Henrickson

The “Dr Ismail AK” from Turkey theory is possible, but frankly I find that a bit far-fetched, although not as far-fetched as the “Moby Dick” or “James Fenimore Cooper” theories.

We have no reason to believe that all of the police (and I’ll bet there would have been at least a few who took a look at the body and saw the words) misread “Ismail AK” to be “Ismail AX,” but it’s not inconceivable.

But why would he write it on his arm? If it was just a doctor he was communicating with by email or whose articles he was reading, that makes little sense.

I think the most likely explanation to my mind at this point in time is that it was his gamer ID and he put it on his arm as sort of an identity tattoo.

Or, maybe he had been flirting with islam and had taken that as his new name and put it on his arm as a sort of a brand.

If not that, maybe it was a newly-acquired computer password of some sort, and he wrote it on his arm to remember it, although it doesn’t seem like such a hard password to remember.


211 posted on 04/17/2007 3:23:54 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Pyro7480

How many murderous nutcases were inspired by novels and movies?

http://www.lennon-chapman.com/new2.htm

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/hinckley/HBIO.HTM

Cho Seung-Hui

Ishmael Bush (the effort to conquer nature through force)
http://www.academictermpapers.com/abstracts/15000/15045.html


212 posted on 04/17/2007 4:07:57 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: lugsoul

It’s not an altogether unreasonable inference. The kid could have had anything he wanted tatooed on his arm. Why did he chose that? I think it is unreasonable to conclude he chose it completely at random. There may be other explanations, and there is the obvious one.


213 posted on 04/17/2007 4:22:34 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets ("We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.")
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To: clilly54
How did you come you know so much about Iranian history?! I'm impressed.

Doubt that the Iranians "poisoned" his mind, though. Just watching TV is enough these days.

214 posted on 04/17/2007 6:04:36 PM PDT by Hamza01
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
My computer's too slow to mess much with photos... could it say "Spartacus" and not "Spartan?"

If so, google "Spartacus League" up for a grand tinfoil time.

215 posted on 04/17/2007 7:52:06 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Pyro7480

lived in the US since he was 8...


216 posted on 04/17/2007 8:22:37 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: CrappieLuck

Thanks, useful and interesting.


217 posted on 04/17/2007 8:24:15 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets ("We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.")
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To: Ax
>I don’t remember authorizing this low-life to use my screen name... Ax

Whenever I read
a Cezanne biography
that talks about Aix,

they never say how
to pronounce the name. I've read
dozens of books and

sometimes it makes me
so mad I want to grab my
gun...   Wait...   I'm okay . . .

218 posted on 04/18/2007 7:45:13 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: All

Can anyone tell my why FOX is using the spelling “Ismail?”


219 posted on 04/18/2007 12:25:35 PM PDT by NordP (I know why Hollywood is concerned about global warming...heat destroys plastic. (Thanks Ann!))
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To: TexasBud

Did you catch the latest? A. Ishmael listed on the return address on the package sent to NBC.


220 posted on 04/18/2007 6:31:19 PM PDT by Wild_nut (Ishmael Axe)
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