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Citizens Crime Comission (Rudolph W. Giuliani on CRIME and GUNS)
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/rwg/html/97a/ccc.html ^ | March 6, 1997, 8:15 a.m. | Rudolph W. Giuliani

Posted on 04/16/2007 9:34:30 PM PDT by narses

Thank you. Good morning. It is a pleasure to join all of you here today for the Citizens Crime Commission's breakfast.

A couple of weeks ago, all New Yorkers and people throughout the world were appalled by the senseless and horrifying act of violence that occurred at the Empire State Building.

The Empire State Building is such an important landmark... such an important symbol of America that, like so many other places in New York City, when a tragedy happens there, it receives a great deal of attention in the media.

However, with this latest incident, we saw something rather remarkable happen, because perceptions about New York City have finally changed.

Thanks to our historic reductions in serious crime, we have been able to get the message out that New York City is just about the safest large city in America.

People throughout the world no longer see New York City as a national symbol of the plague of crime and violence. Now people see New York as a safe, decent place, and as a leader in fighting crime.

Because of this transformation of perception, when this latest tragedy occurred, instead of having to defend New York City, we were able to focus national attention on the real problem, which is gun control.

And even as we grieve for those who lost their lives, and our hearts and prayers go out to the victims and their loved ones, we may be able to find some sort of meaning in this tragedy by using it as a catalyst to revive national gun control efforts.

The man who committed this despicable act of hatred and violence came to the United States on December 24th. First, he arrived in New York and then traveled to Melbourne, Florida, where he checked into a cheap hotel.

Using the hotel address, he was able to obtain a photo ID card, and that was all he needed to buy a gun, a .380 Beretta, capable of firing 14 rounds in 4 or 5 seconds.

Because in Florida, although they have relatively strict regulations to obtain a gun license, gun licenses are only necessary for carrying concealed weapons. A license is not required to buy a gun. To buy a gun all that is required is a photo ID.

And that is when buying from a retailer. In private transactions at gun shows, or purchasing a gun from a private individual, there is nothing required whatsoever.

Ironically, if Mr. Hassan Kamal had wanted to buy a car, or even drive a car legally, he would not have been able to, because in Florida obtaining a drivers license is much more difficult than buying a gun.

In fact, getting a drivers license is more difficult than buying a gun in most places. A drivers license requires several forms of official identification proving residency.

It requires a written test and a road test, and a thorough background investigation is done to determine if the applicant has a history of driving recklessly, or unlawfully.

And these drivers license requirements are fairly uniform from state to state, which demonstrates that from region to region, a vast majority of Americans accept that driving an automobile is potentially very dangerous and requires sensible regulations.

However, guns kill many more people than automobiles do, even though there are many more cars than guns, and cars are used much more often than guns.

In New York City, in 1996 there were 414 fatalities caused by traffic accidents, but there were 987 fatalities involving firearms.

I think one of the reasons that the procedures for obtaining a drivers license and buying and operating a car have become uniform and sensible is that insurance is required for automobiles.

And the insurance industry has standardized what is necessary to get insurance. Cars must be registered and trackable.

Cars are required to undergo periodic safety inspections in many states. Driving records are computerized and traceable, and drivers licenses must be periodically renewed.

Perhaps, we should require insurance for handguns. If liability insurance were required to purchase and own a handgun, you better believe that the insurance industry would promulgate a pretty rigorous licensing and purchasing process to control the risk.

As a private citizen, as a prosecutor, as a Mayoral candidate and as Mayor, I have advocated for more regulated and more uniform gun licensing regulations, similar to those for a drivers license.

But as it stands now, although some localities like New York City have relatively stringent rules for purchasing a gun, many other states require next to nothing, and without a uniform policy, we all lose.

In fact, a recently released study indicates that of 2,225 guns confiscated in New York City, more than 92 percent of the guns were originally purchased out of state--and more than 60 percent of them came from 5 states, Virginia, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina and Georgia.

When looking at the FBI total index crimes list, which shows number of crimes on a per capita basis for cities with population more than 100,000, it is not a coincidence that 4 (t.b.v.) of the top 10 are in Florida, and 6 (t.b.v.) are in the South, where gun control laws are very lax.

New York City on the contrary, where the requirements for purchasing a gun are more rigorous, ranks 144th on that list.

Yesterday, President Clinton outlined his proposals for more stringent, federal gun licensing requirements.

His proposals include:

* prohibiting non-citizens from buying guns; * requiring proof of residency, including photo id. and something like a utility bill in the buyers name... similar to what is required for a drivers license; * making cop killer, or Teflon coated, armor piercing bullets illegal; * and requiring child safety locks on the weapons of all Federal Officials to prevent these guns from ever winding up in the hands of children.

I applaud the President's proposals, and I will support them any way I can.

I only hope that he is right, and that Congress is finally ready to recognize that the vast majority of Americans want more gun control. It makes sense. It is time. And we can no longer let special interests dominate this vitally important issue.

We in New York and other places are working very hard to control crime and especially to reduce criminal incidents involving guns.

Here in New York, we have seen more than a 50 percent decrease in shootings since 1993, but to complete the job we've started, we need the help of other states, and of the Federal Government to promulgate more rigorous gun purchasing requirements nation wide.

Then we won't have 90 percent of our city's guns being brought in from other localities to commit heinous crimes like the tragedy on the Empire State Building.

I know many people argue that keeping and bearing arms is federally guaranteed right as stated in the Second Amendment of the Constitution.

But even in the Second Amendment, it refers to firearms in the context of a well regulated militia, and well regulated is what we're trying to accomplish.

Just as unimpeded interstate travel is Constitutionally guaranteed, but we reserve the right to regulate driving automobiles, so too must we sensibly regulate gun purchases to preserve the safety of all Americans.

Thank you.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: giuliani; rudyonguns; stoprudy2008
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Yesterday, President Clinton outlined his proposals for more stringent, federal gun licensing requirements.

His proposals include:

* prohibiting non-citizens from buying guns; * requiring proof of residency, including photo id. and something like a utility bill in the buyers name... similar to what is required for a drivers license; * making cop killer, or Teflon coated, armor piercing bullets illegal; * and requiring child safety locks on the weapons of all Federal Officials to prevent these guns from ever winding up in the hands of children.

I applaud the President's proposals, and I will support them any way I can.

1 posted on 04/16/2007 9:34:33 PM PDT by narses
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“And even as we grieve for those who lost their lives, and our hearts and prayers go out to the victims and their loved ones, we may be able to find some sort of meaning in this tragedy by using it as a catalyst to revive national gun control efforts.”
Rudolph Giuliani


2 posted on 04/16/2007 9:35:27 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: narses
I only hope that he is right, and that Congress is finally ready to recognize that the vast majority of Americans want more gun control.

UH-OH! what are the Rooty-bots going to say??

3 posted on 04/16/2007 9:37:43 PM PDT by KOZ.
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To: KOZ.

Shhhhhh,,,,,,, not now.


4 posted on 04/16/2007 9:40:59 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: narses

And they didn’t tag Kamal a terrorist until 10 years later when the shooter’s daughter fessed up.
Law enforcement was so focused on gun control, they chose to accept the bogus cover story initially given.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1786949/posts


5 posted on 04/16/2007 9:43:21 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
SHHHHHHHHHH...................

While he was the “Republican Mayor” of New York City he appointed more than 60 men and women to the Civil, Criminal, and Family Court benchs. In all of those judicial appointment only two were Republican.

All of his other judical appointments were either registered Liberals or registered Democrats. As the “Republican Mayor” he had appointment power over more than 70 full commissioners in more than 50 City agencies, yet at no time during his administration did REPUBLICANS account for more than 10% of those appointments.

He even appointed Chuck Schumers wife as the City’s Department of Transportation Commissioner.


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“And even as we grieve for those who lost their lives, and our hearts and prayers go out to the victims and their loved ones, we may be able to find some sort of meaning in this tragedy by using it as a catalyst to revive national gun control efforts.”
Rudolph Giuliani

6 posted on 04/16/2007 9:44:26 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: narses

“Cop killer, or Teflon coated, armor piercing bullets”?


Hell, they’ve never existed, any more than “bullet proof vests” do.
What Rudy wanted to ban includes all reasonable hunting calibers. Was Rudy too ignorant to be aware of this, or just dishonest? How about both? Anyone who parrots Sarah Brady sure doesn’t deserve the presidency.


7 posted on 04/16/2007 9:45:04 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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Ping them Rudybots. Let them defend his record.


8 posted on 04/16/2007 9:46:40 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Where are the Rudybots?


9 posted on 04/16/2007 9:49:48 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: narses

Maybe DU is offering amnesty.


10 posted on 04/16/2007 9:55:36 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: narses

He must be bitin’ his tongue to not be able to use today’s event to sell his lifelong cause.


11 posted on 04/16/2007 9:57:53 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: narses

“I know many people argue that keeping and bearing arms
is a federally guaranteed right as stated in the Second Amendment of the
Constitution.But even in the Second Amendment, it refers to firearms in the
context of a well regulated militia, and well regulated is what we’re
trying to accomplish.” [Los Angeles Times, 9/27/06]

He said the exact same thing in 1997 as he is saying today.

That gun banning drag queen hasn’t changed one bit.


12 posted on 04/16/2007 9:59:49 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Citizens don’t need guns... only police should have guns (according to Rudy, that is)

Washington Post - Nov 29, 1993 (citing Giuliani’s appearance on NBC’s Meet the Press.)

New York City Mayor-elect Rudolph W. Giuliani said he advocated a “uniform licensing system with real teeth in it,” including background checks, lessons, tests and required renewals every two years to “show you’re stable, you’re healthy, you’re able


13 posted on 04/16/2007 10:00:54 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: narses

Thanks for posting this. I wouldn’t expect anything but crickets from the rudy team on this topic.


14 posted on 04/16/2007 10:23:46 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: narses

Great find. Too bad he didn’t correctly identify the problem as Islamofascism — he could have proposed citizen-safety-locks on terrorists.

Instead, a terrorist act was used as an argument to further infringe upon the rights of law-abiding citizens. It reminds me of a Mark Twain quote:

We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it - and stop there; lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again - and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore.

~Mark Twain, Pudd’nhead Wilson’s New Calendar, Following the Equator, 1897


15 posted on 04/16/2007 10:55:01 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: narses

Rudy was fighting big inner city chaos, a far different problem from POTUS fighting terrorism. And you know it.


16 posted on 04/17/2007 3:50:43 AM PDT by tkathy
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To: tkathy
Maybe you missed this part:

and of the Federal Government to promulgate more rigorous gun purchasing requirements nation wide.

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17 posted on 04/17/2007 4:05:46 AM PDT by Lurker (Comparing 'moderate' islam to 'extremist' islam is like comparing small pox to plague.)
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To: tkathy

18 posted on 04/17/2007 5:46:42 AM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Lurker

Willful blindness. Useful idjits.


19 posted on 04/17/2007 5:47:28 AM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: calcowgirl
He knows others will be out front and he is running for POTUS.

Tuesday, June 20, 2000
MAYOR GIULIANI AND SPEAKER VALLONE ANNOUNCE CITY LAWSUIT AGAINST GUN INDUSTRY

20 posted on 04/17/2007 5:48:35 AM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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