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When my father died, I sat shiva for seven days and mourned for thirty days. I prayed every day for my late father's soul, may his memory be for a blessing, until his first yahrzeit a year later. Judaism doesn't tell us to hide or emotions or to "get over it." A death is a very traumatic event and cming to terms with a loss takes a very long time. The medicalization of grief and rage has dulled our ability to grieve properly and the stench of moral equivalence surrounding the process takes away our rage and anger at the murderer. He should NOT be mourned; surely the innocent should be. VA Tech wants to get it over with in a hurry. A civilized society should have plenty of time to mourn its dead.

1 posted on 04/16/2007 9:26:40 PM PDT by goldstategop
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I’m not Jewish, but in the row home neighborhood that I grew up in, the women saw to it that the family didn’t have to attend to the daily chores. Meals, laundry, house cleaning, grass cutting, etc were assigned and accomplished. While not exactly shiva, it allowed the family to concentrate on their loss. We don’t have that anymore and I think it’s a shame.


29 posted on 04/16/2007 10:14:54 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
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Well stated. Thank you. There is alot of wisdom in your post and Dennis’.

My Father passed away last year, and it is just now that the emotions are bubbling up, which I feel is a direct result of my well-meaning family’s unintentional suppression of my reaction to the event.


33 posted on 04/16/2007 10:38:58 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops!)
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VA Tech wants to get it over with in a hurry

That's because the VT prez, the kampus kops, and other authorities want to cover their asses and whitewash as much as possible their f-ups. That's also why we are getting selective and even confilcting information. As soon as they admit what we all know - ONE shooter - they lose any credibility being extended to them.
34 posted on 04/16/2007 10:42:08 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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Dennis is correct.

These clowns that profess to be leaders are nothing but referees wearing a PC patch on their sleeve.


35 posted on 04/16/2007 10:48:09 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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...a major downside of the psychotherapeutic culture is that it regards everything in life in psychological terms and is preoccupied with feelings and the elimination of pain. Pain is necessary.

I agree with this, and not only in an event such as this. It is unfortunate that in modern times, when we feel bad, the response is to try to deny or fight the feelings. Pain and suffering exists for a reason, and not just to be run from.

36 posted on 04/16/2007 10:50:51 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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“We’re making plans for a convocation tomorrow at noon in Cassell Coliseum”

Great, as if the people in one building weren’t enough of a target, this dick is going to put all the students in a stadium the day following the massacre! The man is an idiot (not had to believe considering it’s a university).

Sometimes these things happen in bunches; good procedure would to break for a while. It seems more and more this moron is about putting it apast him so he can forget about it, let alone not having to disrupt the university's schedule.

I can’t believe stupid people are put in positions of authority but I see it everywhere, particularly in Universities and government. We need to stop supporting institutions that have a policy of failure!

37 posted on 04/17/2007 12:08:22 AM PDT by Herakles (Diversity is code word for anti-white racism)
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Great article, and great post from you. Dennis is the best!


38 posted on 04/17/2007 12:13:03 AM PDT by Captainpaintball
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Let the healing begin. We’ll bring in as many grief counsellors as necessary, and if we aren’t getting the results we need, we’ll offer them overtime and a bonus for early completion.

We may have to subcontract to outside firms to get the proven expertise we need, and if we are going to bid this competitively, we need to move quickly. In the interest of time we may have to consider no-bid contracts, but we want to make sure we are good stewards with the public money.

We are considering some grief specialist firms in Bangalore, who are prepared to offer economical grief reduction over broadband. We just make sure our target demographic has access to the appropriate links, and we can service this need quickly and efficiently. I attach a sample e-brochure in pdf for your review.


39 posted on 04/17/2007 12:32:14 AM PDT by marron
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Seriously, I didn’t know anyone who was killed on 911, but if I’m forced to focus on that day my eyes still well up with tears.

I’m not planning to get over it. Not ever.

If you suffer a real loss, it is my belief that you don’t get over it. You learn to live around your loss, but you don’t get over it. You shouldn’t expect to.


40 posted on 04/17/2007 12:37:00 AM PDT by marron
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...”We have embraced emotion-numbing, righteous-rage-denying, morally neutered, therapeutic language. It is as as much a part of our national crisis as are the acts of evil we refuse to identify as such”...

Yes! Physical wounds have to go through an inflamation process brought about by the human immune system before healing can occur. I believe the sadness and grief we experience during times of crisis are a part of our “emotional inflamation process,” equally as important to our emotional and psychological healing as our immune system is for our physical healing. Any effort which causes individuals to suppress the expression of emotional pain in response to terrible events is doing a great injustice to the sufferer.


41 posted on 04/17/2007 2:12:19 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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Thank you for posting this article, and thank you for your words. My father died In January, and I have bad dreams every night I can remember them. Before the funeral, the minister said he wanted it to be happy (or words to that effect) - my brothers nodded. I walked out of the church office...


42 posted on 04/17/2007 3:52:23 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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What I want is to not have to hear some air-headed pundit or touchy feely psychotherapist mention "closure" ever, ever again.

Also, the grief counseling. I live in Pittsburgh and I couldn't believe that the University of Pennsylvania is offering grief counseling to students troubled by the events in Blacksburg, VA. Like Prager said, it's not about the students in Pennsylvania or elsewhere.

Then I left KDKA on while I went back to sleep and awoke to a maniac talking on and on about post traumatic stress syndrome. It was Dr. Phil on the CBS morning show and once you get that guy started, he doesn't stop.

Having said that, to all those directed affected by this murderous man (the Asian, not Dr. Phil), my prayers are with them that God will spread his merciful arms around them, allow them to grieve in His arms and to have true support to comfort them.

47 posted on 04/17/2007 7:38:47 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (Vote for the person at the primaries; vote for the party at the election.)
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Love this guy!

“The Jewish tradition, still observed even by non-Orthodox Jews, is to sit “shiva” (seven) days and do nothing but mourn and receive visitors after the death of an immediate relative. One does not have to be a religious Jew or even a Jew to appreciate this ancient wisdom. “

True for Jews and any other human being!

“It is not good for people to feign normalcy immediately after the loss of a loved one. People who have not been allowed, or not allowed themselves, time to grieve suffer later on. Any child who loses a parent and is “protected” from grieving by a well-intentioned parent who tries to act “normal” right after the other parent’s death is likely to pay a steep psychological price.”

I was not able to articulate my concerns about Bindi, Stever Irwins daughter as well as this but he sums it up for me. It is UNHEALTHY for Bindi - what she is doing now ... and she WILL pay the price later for NOT having a time to grieve and have a NORMAL childhood.

50 posted on 04/17/2007 8:14:47 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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Word!


52 posted on 04/17/2007 9:20:18 AM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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