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When my father died, I sat shiva for seven days and mourned for thirty days. I prayed every day for my late father's soul, may his memory be for a blessing, until his first yahrzeit a year later. Judaism doesn't tell us to hide or emotions or to "get over it." A death is a very traumatic event and cming to terms with a loss takes a very long time. The medicalization of grief and rage has dulled our ability to grieve properly and the stench of moral equivalence surrounding the process takes away our rage and anger at the murderer. He should NOT be mourned; surely the innocent should be. VA Tech wants to get it over with in a hurry. A civilized society should have plenty of time to mourn its dead.

1 posted on 04/16/2007 9:26:40 PM PDT by goldstategop
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Eloquent post, goldstategop. Thank you.


2 posted on 04/16/2007 9:33:02 PM PDT by speedy
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as usual, dennis is correct.

i agree with you.

these matters cannot be reduced to simplifications.


3 posted on 04/16/2007 9:33:55 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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Wisdom from a true Jew. Probably a descendant of Solomon.
4 posted on 04/16/2007 9:34:18 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Christ's Kingdom on Earth is the answer. What is your question?)
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I agree. Our society does not allow for the grief process.
there was a reason people wore black for a year or more after the death of a close relative. It was ackowledgement of the difficult transition they were going through.

People’s grief was respected and they were granted an extra measure of tolerance, compassion and help from their friends and the community.

If we don’t grieve when we need to, it can also have very strange emotional consequences later. If I hear one more time this damnd phrase, “ let the healing begin” for everything!( oh, and right away).

I disagree with the author on one point. This IS a tragedy. Because the people were so young and it was so needless. Evil can bring tragedy...the holocaust was another example of evil bringing great tragedy.


5 posted on 04/16/2007 9:35:10 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (We need a troop surge in New Orleans and Philly!)
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A good way of dealing with the grief would be to reveal the killers name, age, and race. That alone may help some people find some answers to questions regarding possible motives.


7 posted on 04/16/2007 9:37:26 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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Moving moving and wise comment. Thanks.


8 posted on 04/16/2007 9:38:05 PM PDT by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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“I believe that this early healing talk is both foolish and immoral.

It is foolish because one does not speak about healing the same day”

Hell, we healed from 911 in a year. Now people even think the victims deserved to die. We heal quick these days...at least the ones not touched more than in passing by the tragedy!


9 posted on 04/16/2007 9:38:37 PM PDT by raftguide
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Probably why our judicial system has also been neutered when it comes to dolling out true justice for the truly evil.
12 posted on 04/16/2007 9:41:09 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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Agree with Prager and your post completely.


13 posted on 04/16/2007 9:42:12 PM PDT by xp38
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G-d bless you for such a heart felt post.


14 posted on 04/16/2007 9:42:49 PM PDT by A. Morgan (Fred Thompson’s record is solid. He does not waffle. Fred Thompson 2008.)
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Nicely written, I like this Prager guy, this is the second brilliant essay I’ve seen by him and I think I’ll read further from now on whenever I see his name. Guy understands human nature.


15 posted on 04/16/2007 9:45:25 PM PDT by Kitten Festival
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Well said. This clown show of ‘healing’ was the SAME crap that was spewed around in the smoking ash of the World Trade Center at Union Square in New York. I saw all kinds of garbage at the hippiefest of ‘healing.’ One midnight, I went over there when all the hippies were asleep and took a great big black pen and added to their signs that said ‘Peace’

Of The Grave To Osama Bin Laden.

I hope those hippies hated it.


17 posted on 04/16/2007 9:48:12 PM PDT by Kitten Festival
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“It is foolish because one does not speak about healing the same day (or week or perhaps even month) that one is traumatized — especially by evil. One must be allowed time for anger and grief. To speak of healing and “closure” before one goes through those other emotions is to speak not of healing but of suppression.”

He’s right.
I’ve been through trauma, shock, denial, and grief.

Healing doesn’t kick in for quite awhile and there’s nothing wrong with that.
There are certain stages you have to go through and they can’t be rushed.


18 posted on 04/16/2007 9:50:47 PM PDT by Scotswife
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Sounds like the school don’t want to deal with truth and wants to get this episode over with as soon possible!

Reality has not even set in yet, how can the School rush this it is very bazzar!


19 posted on 04/16/2007 9:51:05 PM PDT by restornu (I know that thou art redeemed, because of the righteousness of thy Redeemer; 2 Ne 2:3)
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out of site, out of mind they hope!


20 posted on 04/16/2007 9:52:07 PM PDT by restornu (I know that thou art redeemed, because of the righteousness of thy Redeemer; 2 Ne 2:3)
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I believe that this early healing talk is both foolish and immoral.

I agree! Deep in my heart, this talk of "healing" is offensive, wrong.

21 posted on 04/16/2007 9:53:00 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us, and grant us Your peace.)
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[.. "We're making plans for a convocation tomorrow at noon in Cassell Coliseum for the university to come together to begin the healing process from this terrible tragedy." ..]

I see.. then BACK TO BUSINESS... as usual brain washing American children as socialists.. and leftist ideologues..

22 posted on 04/16/2007 9:57:46 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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"This whole notion of instant healing (like its twin, instant forgiveness) is also morally wrong. "

Dennis hits the nail on the head. I couldn't agree more.

I enjoy listening to Dennis because more than other talk show host he thinks about many of the same things I think about and frequently comes to the same conclusions.

24 posted on 04/16/2007 10:02:22 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Giuliani is a democrat in Republican drag!)
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It is VERY important, what you did. I cut off all my hair when my mother died; I had to, not by custom, but divine instinct. The emotion of grief is powerful and must be honored. I wore black.

I was fortunate to have honest, wise friends. When I told one my mother had died, she said to me, “I pray you will be able to grieve.” And another friend said to me, “You will never get over it.” This is true.

Life goes on, but the grief along with the bond becomes part of you and it is a blessing.


26 posted on 04/16/2007 10:04:24 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us, and grant us Your peace.)
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..we can’t skip through the hard part..like turning the channel. Prager has spoken a mouthful here..I completely agree. ..and thanks for your personal thoughts, good post.


27 posted on 04/16/2007 10:04:46 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America and FRiends ,,Hunter '08.)
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