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Virginia Tech Shooting Kills at Least 33
The New York Times ^ | April 16, 2007 | CHRISTINE HAUSER and ANAHAD O’CONNOR

Posted on 04/16/2007 3:13:13 PM PDT by rebekah7gray

At least 33 people were killed today on the campus of Virginia Tech in what appears to be the deadliest shooting rampage in American history, according to federal law-enforcement officials. Many of the victims were students shot in a dorm and a classroom building

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; crime; guncontrol; gunfreezone; guns; liberalidiocy; whereweretehcops
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To: rebekah7gray

if in the event you are ever the victim of a home invasion and you are alone, suddenly awaken in the middle of the night and the armed thug is SECONDS away from battering down you or your child’s bedroom door, you will wish to our good lord that you were in possession of a weapon (firearm) and the physical training and mental mindset to use it.


101 posted on 04/16/2007 5:08:10 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: rebekah7gray
If criminals find it difficult to buy or steal RPGs, dynamite or machine guns, than why is it easy for criminals to obtain guns ?

Where do you think they would steal the RPGs & machine guns from? Walmart? The local gun store?

How many crimes have been committed in the U.S., by criminals armed with an RPG or machine gun?

102 posted on 04/16/2007 5:08:11 PM PDT by holymoly (With an anti-gun Congress, we must have a pro-gun President. www.gohunter08.com)
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To: DariusBane
IB4 the ZOT

I hereby summon forth the kittens of wrath.

After attempting to have a discussion with this person, I have to agree with you.

She/he/it is just another anti-gun zealot, who cannot be reasoned with.

IBTZ!

103 posted on 04/16/2007 5:11:08 PM PDT by holymoly (With an anti-gun Congress, we must have a pro-gun President. www.gohunter08.com)
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To: rebekah7gray

Um, because they’re criminals?

The laws only make it difficult for law abiding citizens.


104 posted on 04/16/2007 5:12:07 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Beelzebubba

If strict gun control laws are passed, guns can only be obtained in the black market and if the police have a buy back program, there would be a great reduction in guns on the black market.

If we have a comprehensive informant system where informants are paid $5000 per gun and $10000 per gun which is in the possession of a felon, we would greatly reduce the availability of guns


105 posted on 04/16/2007 5:12:31 PM PDT by rebekah7gray
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To: rebekah7gray
If criminals find it difficult to buy or steal RPGs, dynamite or machine guns, than why is it easy for criminals to obtain guns ?

You're not too bright, are ya, Bek? *rolls eyes*

"Looking for answers like everyone else," isn't that what you wrote? That's like going to the beach and telling folks that you're looking for the ocean. I ain't buyin' it. You're a fake.

106 posted on 04/16/2007 5:12:51 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: holymoly
She is not looking for information. She has an agenda that is counter to the 2nd amendment. I have long on this forum deflected folks from getting the ZOT when an honest difference of opinion was expressed, and when those expressions of opinion were rooted in rational discussion. But she is a TROLL.
107 posted on 04/16/2007 5:15:32 PM PDT by DariusBane (Shock and Awe used to mean something! (Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Tokyo and Dresden))
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To: rebekah7gray
It's called the black market. Criminals will always have guns and access to them.

Prohibition didn't prevent alcohol from being made and sold.

Drug laws aren't keeping drugs from being made and sold.

Laws against rape don't stop it.

Laws against bank robberies don't stop them.

So what makes yo think gun control will stop criminals from having guns?

Gun control will only result in an unarmed citizenry that will be at the mercy of thugs like this.

If you don't like guns, don't have one but keep it to yourself and don't tell the rest of us how to live.

108 posted on 04/16/2007 5:17:35 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: holymoly

You are right, if we are able to restrict the sale or availability of RPGs, machine guns and dynamite to criminals, surely we can also restrict the availability of guns with the right laws and with a comprehensive buy back program and informant system that pays informants $5000 per gun and $10000 per gun that is in the possession of a felon


109 posted on 04/16/2007 5:17:52 PM PDT by rebekah7gray
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To: metmom

Because we are able to restrict the sale or availability of grenades, RPGs, dynamite and machine guns, surely we can also do the same for guns, dont you think ?


110 posted on 04/16/2007 5:20:48 PM PDT by rebekah7gray
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To: rebekah7gray
Many years ago, I spent many hours in Norris Hall taking engineering classes. If the criminal involved hadn't used a gun, he could have killed as many or more people by chaining the doors as he did and then setting fire to the labs in the basement. Your comments about guns show ignorance and a willingness to use tragedy to advance a wrongful agenda.

Bill
VPI&SU
Class of '86

111 posted on 04/16/2007 5:21:38 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: metmom

If we have comprehensive laws, comprehensive buy back programs and an extensive informant system whereby informants get paid $5000 per gun retrieved and $10000 per gun that is retrieved from a felon, then we will go a long way in preventing criminals from having guns


112 posted on 04/16/2007 5:24:13 PM PDT by rebekah7gray
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To: rebekah7gray

A lot of my fellow FReepers are concluding that you are a leftist troll.

I have not come to that opinion, as yet, so welcome to FR.

You do, alas, show a naivete concerning matters related to violence and self-defense which is quite atypical of American conservatives, and more commonly found on the American left: the loudest voices on the left at once want to give the state a monopoly on the means of violence and hobble the state in its effective use of violence, whether abroad in war, or at home in law enforcement, through ‘humanitarian’ rules of engagement and various ill-conceived ‘civil rights’ measures.

The point of an armed citizenry is not the certainty that a good-law abiding citizen will kill or incapacitate an evil doer (be it common armed robber, homocidal maniac, jihadi, or would-be tyrant) before harm is done, but the extra difficulty in carrying out evil plans presented by uncertainty as to who will return fire in defense of self and unarmed innocents.

Our troops in Iraq wear body armor and still killed by small arms fire- head-shots by snipers or shots at close-quarters with sufficient velocity to punch through the body armor. The same would apply to miscreants facing an armed citizenry. A head-shot from behind will take out a body-armored thug armed with machine gun, explosives and a grenade launcher. Those with more practical knowledge than I of small-group tactics, can doubtless provide other scenarios in which one or more persons armed with various small arms could, in extremis, successfully engage a more heavily armed opponent.


113 posted on 04/16/2007 5:25:30 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: WFTR

You are right, so why did the criminal not set fire to the place instead of using a gun then ?


114 posted on 04/16/2007 5:26:14 PM PDT by rebekah7gray
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To: rebekah7gray; WFTR
why did the criminal not set fire to the place instead of using a gun then ?

WFTR, this person is either maliciously wicked or plainly addled. Makes me think of a sink, everything whirlpooling downward ...

115 posted on 04/16/2007 5:29:54 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: rebekah7gray

I don’t think it’s going to work.

First of all, where’s all the money going to come from to pay for all this?

Then, even if you restrict it now, there’s WAY too many guns already out there.

Thirdly, the borders can’t even keep people out. No way gun running isn’t going to happen.

Last, and not least, the gun ownership is Constituionally protected. Most gun owners will give up their guns when pried from their cold, dead hands.

You’re anti-gun agenda will not work here and your proposal will not convince anyone because it’s impractical and will not work.


116 posted on 04/16/2007 5:30:58 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: The_Reader_David

Thanks for the welcome and for those who want to know, I got kicked out of the DU.

I would like to see Congress do an unbiased study of gun crimes and a comparative study of countries where guns are banned and countries that do not ban guns and I will abide by whatever conclusions they come up with


117 posted on 04/16/2007 5:32:20 PM PDT by rebekah7gray
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To: rebekah7gray
Thanks for the welcome and for those who want to know, I got kicked out of the DU.

And you've been kicked outta here, too.

118 posted on 04/16/2007 5:35:41 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

WOO-HOO!!!! bye bye troll! big thanks to the mod!


119 posted on 04/16/2007 5:38:38 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: Admin Moderator

Good thing I wasn’t drinking any coffee or you would have owed me a new keyboard.


120 posted on 04/16/2007 5:39:33 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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