Posted on 04/16/2007 7:14:16 AM PDT by LexHoskin
Gunman on Campus; Stay inside your building, away from windows; Shooting incident at West Ambler Johnston Hall
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They'd be bleeping me like crazy.
We’ve been here before. Later today or tomorrow,they will announce it wasn’t terrorism.
His excuse for the late notice is LAME, LAME, LAME!
I didn’t have a loved one or even know anyone there and I AM furious at these dolts. A gunman on the loose and they don’t tell everyone? It’s outrageous.
One more thing. All this talk about their “sophisticated” system for informing students through text msg, email, etc.
How ‘bout a good old fashioned horn alarm like we used to have for civil defense alerts?! Pre-train students/faculty on procedures to follow when the alarm sounds. Then, in emergency, blow the thing and it won’t matter if they’re asleep, in the shower, whatever. It doesn’t have to be sophisticated...just loud.
You investigate to prove a case or catch a bad guy, not to have some psychological “closure” on an incident.
Which is in part why I believe the lover’s quarrel angle is bunk.
The University administration is responsible, however, for enacting and enforcing a policy that guaranteed that nobody on campus would be able to save their own lives or the lives of others by using a licensed defensive firearm.
And that is something that I hope they are made to answer for.
I wonder how many of the dead or wounded hold Virginia concealed-carry licenses?
So, we’ve got two dead in a dorm room at 7:00 AM, and two hours later, many more people shot in a classroom, including the gunman, a “young man”, who kills himself.
No identity yet on the gunman, or any of the victims.
That’s about all we know at the moment, it seems.
I just hope we eventually get ALL the facts, and that nothing is covered up.
live local coverage continuing here http://www.nbc4i.com/midwest/cmh/home.html
I'm not surprised
Many in the news are more interested in making news then reporting it accurately
“All power flows out of the barrel of a gun.” —Mao
In the final analysis, he was right.
yeah, this guy was a copy cat! And he wasn’t some dude mad at this girlfriend. He was mad at the world and was out for some type of revenge.
That was reported by a student who was at the scene in the engineering building. It hasn't been verified though.
It's being reported also that the perp stayed the night with the g/f and had a fight this AM before he alledgedly shot her, and an RA in the foot. Since the guy already had on his vest full of magazines and a couple of guns, it looks like he surprised the g/f in the AM with his "plot". could be like the Utah mall shooting where the guy told the g/f the night before, that he was going to od something "wonderful".
could be jihad but it appears he did follow the Amish shooter’s playbook. Evil.
It is inevitable that a tragedy like this will result in political maneuvering. One can argue that the response to 9/11 was political, in as much as war is defined as the extension of policy by other means. The question then becomes what side of that response one will support.
Experience, and common sense, shows that gun bans do not work. Furthermore, data suggests that the opposite is true- they make matters worse. In this case, it failed spectacularly.
It has often been said in regards to drug laws that prohibition doesn’t work, yet often the very same people who say that favor a prohibition on firearms. No one that I know of advocates that all citizens be armed at all times. Likewise no one favors mandatory guns for students at Virginia Tech. I know that if I was a student there I wouldn’t have carried one even if legal. However, one can argue that concealed weapons permits, properly administered and legally recorded, would create a situation where opposition to this shooting spree amy have saved lives, and created a climate of uncertainty regarding who is and is not armed and may have prevented this nut’s misadventure in the first place.
Sure, go here: http://le.utah.gov/~code/code.htm
start with 53-5-710 for the cross-references.
Good grief! A college campus is NOT a high school, with one large contained space. I went to a college with half the number of students, and there were buildings spread out over about a square mile area. How would you suggest locking down that large a space?
As for students complaining they didn't get an e-mail until 9am, what was it they should have been told earlier? According to the police chief, there had been a 911 call at 7:15 to which they responded. At that time, they were under the impression that it was a 'domestic' dispute, so they thought it was contained to that one building. Think about it. If police respond to a domestic dispute on your street, do they lock all the residents of that street in their homes?
Mark, when I was a kid all the kids in my neighborhood had fathers who hunted and as such homes with guns in the cabinets unlocked, and nobody feared that that would be a temptation to a person who was over the edge.
The boys that were friends with my brothers played a game called stretch. They carried knives in their pockets and the game was played by standing with their legs quite far apart and throwing the knife into the ground so that it stood on end. The boy who threw the knife the farthest won. Not one of those boys would have thought of using that knife on a boy he was fighting with, though it was in his pocket. A fight could only take place with your fists and when you were looking your opponent in the eye. I know of many situations where the worst fights ended up being the closest of friendships. We have everything it seems, but we are made of nothing.
I’ve worked in large office complexes where a single smoke detector going off, sends 5000 people out of the building within minutes.
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