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Buy me a gun, Rudy
News by Us ^ | 11 April 2007 | Bruce Walker

Posted on 04/13/2007 10:38:33 AM PDT by Spiff

Buy me a gun, Rudy

By Bruce Walker on Apr 11, 07

I was once an enthusiastic supporter of Rudy Giuliani and I am still an admirer of the magnificent job that he did as Mayor of New York. Rudy was also an absolutely fearless federal prosecutor who genuinely put his life on the line to break the back of organized crime. He has also been a loyal Republican, campaigning and helping Republicans - including those whose policies he may have disagreed with - when Republicans needed all the help they could get. There is a lot of good in Rudy. He would make a much better president than any Democrat. But, as his presidential bid begins to wilt, it is obvious that there are a lot of problems with Rudy.

Surely the most disappointing is his position on funding abortions. Although, to some extent, he has been misquoted, the gist of what Rudy said is just what most people believe: Giuliani supports tax dollars being used for abortion because he believes it is a constitutional right. And that is wrong on so very many levels.

Roe v. Wade is horrific constitutional law. It is, indeed, unconstitutional law. Before that odious ruling, abortion was legal or illegal depending upon what the people of the several states, through their elected officials, decided it should be. Abortion was treating just like murder or self-defense, both of which are still governed by state law (not federal judicial ukase.) What Roe v. Wade did – and Rudy knows this! – is to take what had been legal in some states, like his own state of New York, because the legislature of that state wanted it legal, and instead require that abortion be legal in every state. The dangers of this ought to be apparent to someone as bright as Rudy: a Supreme Court could reverse Roe v. Wade and declare that abortion was always murder. It was not a “pro-choice” ruling. It was simply the theft by the Supreme Court of constitutional powers clearly granted to the states.

But that is not the only flaw in Rudy’s position on funded abortions. It betrays a notion that government programs solve problems. Even if one believes that abortion should be legal, should the costs of abortions not be paid by the person wanting it? Or, if that person is poor, should not charitable organizations or families pay for the abortions? Requiring taxpayers, who have no choice about paying their taxes, to fund something morally repugnant to them is, itself, morally repugnant.

Even worse, Rudy has attempted to “clarify” his position by saying that because there is a right to an abortion in the Constitution, then there is a duty for government to help those who cannot “exercise” that constitutional right. What??? Since when did government become responsible for paying for citizens exercising their constitutional rights? If it was not abundantly clear that Rudy is not dumb like, say, John Kerry or Howard Dean or Al Gore, then I would say this sort of reasoning is downright dumb. But Rudy Giuliani is not dumb at all.

The Second Amendment guarantees the right to own guns. This is not a constitutional right that is in the shadows, as the ridiculous reasoning of Roe v. Wade finds, somewhere around the Eighth Amendment of the Bill of Rights. The right to bear arms is right there in the Second Amendment. It is spelled out. Moreover, the right to bear arms is predicated on the right of self-defense: the right to defend oneself and one’s family from danger. This is exactly the sort of right which Roe v. Wade purports to assert: a woman has the right to protect her reproductive processes.

So if government has a “duty” to pay for women who want to have recreational abortions, then, Rudy, does government have a duty to pay for my firearms? Conservatives are a bit antsy when you have said that gun control in New York is way different than gun control in Flyover Country, because New York had such a serious crime problem, etc. We could, however, buy that if you bought the argument that abortion, too, is an issue that each state should decide for itself. New York, again, had legal abortion at the time of Roe v. Wade. The decision was an attempt to cram the moral thinking of New York down the throats of us yahoos in Flyover Country. But if you believe that the law, as passed by that legislative body we call the Supreme Court, provides rights, then surely those rights should be the same everywhere. And if constitutional rights should be funded by taxpayers, then I have a request: Rudy, buy me a gun.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; giuliani; rino; rudy; rudyonguns; stoprudy2008
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To: Spiff
A regular love-fest in a vacuum over there.
41 posted on 04/13/2007 11:46:29 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: beltfed308

Yea, I saw that too...


42 posted on 04/13/2007 11:48:56 AM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: beltfed308
A regular love-fest in a vacuum over there.

Oh yeah. They're having a grand old time over there unfettered from conservative principles and values. They've freed themselves from logic and reason too. Liberalism is as liberalism does.

43 posted on 04/13/2007 11:49:34 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff
Since Free Republic was invented FReepers have engaged in attacks against liberals.

The anti-Rudy crowd here is mostly the Patsies, Grifters and Keyesters joined for another losing effort.
You never win elections because you're too extreme in tactic and narrow mindedness.

44 posted on 04/13/2007 11:54:36 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: Spiff

Nail, meet coffin


45 posted on 04/13/2007 12:08:09 PM PDT by pissant
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To: PRND21
You never win elections because you're too extreme in tactic and narrow mindedness.

Please tell that to the Rudybots. Thank you.

46 posted on 04/13/2007 12:13:15 PM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff

“widawakes” = the new Clown Posse?
I see some familiar nics there (like some extreme rudytooters)


47 posted on 04/13/2007 12:25:25 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: PRND21

Where did Alan Keyes come into all of this?


48 posted on 04/13/2007 12:41:09 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: Spiff

That’s a shame. I know there’s a lot of passion and vitriol on all sides right now, but I think it’s a lot more useful and interesting when different candidates’ supporters are all in one place arguing it out. It helps all of us deal with negatives that would come up during the general, and hone our arguments against those negatives.

It’s social entropy, I suppose.


49 posted on 04/13/2007 12:45:11 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: jmc813
......who the h*** cares what freepers post about Rooty. He's a politician. ** him.......

Conditionally nominated for Best Post Of The Day (if it doesn't get pulled, that is). {{{{{chuckle}}}}}.

50 posted on 04/13/2007 12:46:11 PM PDT by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Where did Alan Keyes come into all of this?

Last, at about 1%.

51 posted on 04/13/2007 12:55:01 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: Spiff
I have been saying this for years. Almost since the 'right' to an abortion started being funded by tax dollars. And thanks to Rudy Rambo it's now being picked up by people with common sense in the media.

Maybe this will be the only good coming from that liberal mutt running for POTUS. The shear absurdity of tax money being spent so some 'po folk' can exercise a non-existant 'constitutional right' to kill their baby.

52 posted on 04/13/2007 1:40:59 PM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Chena

BUT me a gun

A Glock please...

53 posted on 04/13/2007 1:42:56 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: WalterSkinner
A Glock please...

All out of Glocks. How about a .44 Mag? ;)

54 posted on 04/13/2007 1:55:28 PM PDT by Chena (I want a President who will also be tough against liberalism. (Kevin McCullough))
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To: Spiff
I want this one:

I really want it! ............. FRegards

55 posted on 04/13/2007 3:38:02 PM PDT by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: Spiff
I'll take a Ma Deuce and 10,000 rds of .50 BMG.

Get that to me before election day and my vote is yours, Rudy.

56 posted on 04/13/2007 4:07:51 PM PDT by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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To: Disambiguator
If that revolver were to scale, it would have about a 15” barrel to be able to be twisted up like that.

It's a "Butline Special"

57 posted on 04/13/2007 5:56:33 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (btw..Rudy can untie the COUNTRY, not just our precious party... --- ChiTownBearFan 04/10/2007)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
Rudy, I'd prefer it in black, but I'll settle for OD.

I'd like a .22LR full-auto with a 100rd magazine. Wouldn't be all that great as a practical weapon, but would be fun and cheap to plink with. Even as a military weapon, I'd think it would have its merits (for suppression fire in certain types of terrain, the ammo capacity may outweigh the lack of penetrating power).

58 posted on 04/13/2007 10:32:27 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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