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Thug Life in a Rural Town(MS-13 is coming to your town.)
Palm Beach Post ^ | April 09, 2007 | John Lantigua

Posted on 04/09/2007 9:09:00 PM PDT by kellynla

MOUNT PLEASANT — Drive down a country lane here, with horses grazing and tomato plants blossoming just off the blacktop, and a rural mailbox appears on the side of the road.

It is spray-painted, in blue, with the number "13."

A bit farther down that trail, under trees where birds sing and a tractor just passed, is another mailbox "tagged" in the same fashion.

The number and color are the insignia of a local youth gang here, Southside 13, whose members either are affiliated with the violent national gang Sur 13, or at least want to be.

"Yeah, we're part of that," brags Carlos, 15, a student at West Gadsden High School in Greensboro, a town of about 600 people and many more pine trees.

Carlos, which is not his real name, holds out his fists. On his knuckles are tattooed the words "THUG LIFE." A "13" is tattooed on one wrist and, near his thumb, a triangle of three dots. They stand for "la vida loca" - the crazy life - the national motto of Latin gangs.

"People who think that gangs are just a city thing, they don't get it," says Gadsden County sheriff's deputy Janice McPhaul, her department's gang expert, who speaks with a North Florida drawl. "They are here and there are more of them all the time. There is increasing potential for violence."

Rusty Keeble, of the Orange County Corrections Department and president of the Florida Gang Investigators Association, says rural areas are ripe for gang recruiters.

"They show up in Sleepy Hollow and start talking to kids about the kinds of gangs they see on TV or hear about in rap music," Keeble says. "Those kids have little or nothing to do and they get interested real fast."

No one living in this rural county of about 47,000 people claims that gang life here is anywhere as perilous as in Palm Beach County, where young men sometimes empty automatic weapons at each other and gang members have shot to death at least 10 people in the past 15 months.

About 75 miles west of Gadsden in the Panhandle, in more urban Panama City, a gang member visiting from Milwaukee during spring break in 2005 shot to death a city police officer during a routine traffic stop. That city and Tallahassee, about 10 miles south of Gadsden, have seen drive-by shootings by local gangs, although no one has been killed.

Meanwhile, Gadsden Sheriff Morris Young says he is investigating some past shootings to make sure there was no gang involvement. So far not one killing has been definitely attributed to gangs.

"But given what we're seeing, it's just a matter of time," says McPhaul.

What McPhaul has seen during the past year is gang graffiti all over her territory, from the county seat of Quincy which has a population of about 7,000, to the even smaller towns of Chattahoochee, Havana and Greensboro.

Escalation of violence feared

The gang "tags" include those of large, violent, national gangs such as the Bloods, Crips, Insane Gangster Disciples, Sur 13 and Mara Salvatrucha - or MS 13.

Gadsden has long had local street gangs: the Chat Boys from Chattahoochee, 773 gang from Quincy, the Killer Hard Boys from the Hardaway neighborhood, who have little history of violence.

What worries Gadsden authorities is that these local "wannabes" have come in contact with representatives of larger, national gangs and that gang activity could quickly become much more serious and bloody.

"I know for a fact there are MS 13 here," says one veteran Quincy social worker who asks that her name not be used. "Some real hoods have shown up here. They say it's because the police in El Salvador have just started shooting gang members down there, so they come here because we have a Salvadoran community here."

MS 13 is the most violent Latin gang in the United States, responsible for murders across the country and the subject of congressional investigations.

Although all gang activity worries Florida gang investigators, it is the growing presence of the Latin gangs that may prove the greatest threat in rural areas. "Gangs are able to move into Florida relatively easily because we have so many people moving here to begin with," says Keeble. "In the rural areas, Latin gangs use the Latin migrant laborers for cover."

Derek Friend, a Tallahassee Police Department investigator who focuses on gang activity, agrees.

"They work in farm labor, construction or whatever the other migrant workers end up doing," says Friend, who has attended briefings by FBI national gang experts. "But eventually, they will go into business for themselves."

By "business," Friend means mostly drug dealing: marijuana, cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine.

"They will take over whatever operation was there before them," Friend says. "In the case of the MS 13, those takeovers tend to be violent."

Interstates key drug routes

Friend says rural areas present obvious attractions for such gangs.

"They have access to a new market where there is usually little competition," he says. "They also tend to find small police forces that are less sophisticated, don't know much about gang activity and won't recognize them."

Major drug smuggling routes in the U.S. run along interstate highways, and gangs benefit from affiliates along those highways to facilitate the moving and storing of drugs, says Friend.

"Those interstates cross a lot of rural territory, and it makes sense for them to have a presence there," he says.

And in rural areas, there are rarely Spanish-speaking investigators.

"That's a problem even in rural areas of Florida," Keeble says . "All they need to say is they don't speak English, and you have extra problems in determining who they are."

Gadsden County has about 4,000 Hispanic residents, local sources say, mostly Mexican and Salvadoran, many of whom work in agriculture and nurseries. Police emphasize that the overwhelming majority of them are hardworking and law abiding, and that gang members are using them as a blind.

So far in Gadsden, gangs are thought to have at most a few dozen members each, not hundreds or thousands as in urban settings. But, to a degree, they work the same way.

Carlos, the tattooed member of Southside 13, says older gang members, who belong to Sur 13, often use him to deliver drugs. This is common practice in urban gangs, because a juvenile faces much less severe penalties if arrested.

The high school student says he delivers a half-ounce of marijuana and collects $40 or $50, which he takes back to a gang leader. How many times has he done it?

"I lost count," he says.

Some downplay threat

Delivering drugs is not all young "gangsters" do. Police say "jump outs," gang members leaping from vehicles, beating up victims and escaping, are on the increase. In at least two recent incidents, one gang member was seen taping the beating on a video camera.

Alberto, 15, was beaten up about two weeks ago after getting off a school bus in Quincy.

"I know this kid who belongs to that group, and he said he saw the tape at a gang meeting," says Alberto, which is not his real name. "He said to me, 'Boy they really beat you up.''"

His parents have since taken him and his 14-year-old brother out of school, afraid they might get hurt.

The incident is very "small potatoes," compared with Palm Beach County gang violence. But gang investigators insist that "small potatoes" can become big trouble rapidly in the world of gangs, teenage testosterone and easily available guns.

Some locals say the authorities are hyping the issue, trying to get grants for programs being made available by the state and federal governments.

Says one doubter: "Most of our kids can't afford a car. How big a drug dealer can you be riding a bicycle? How much violence are you going to do to another gang, if you have to ride your bike 10 miles or walk that far in order to beat them up?"

McPhaul, Keeble, and Friend are accustomed to being "voices in the desert."

"There is denial about the gang issue at every level of government," Keeble says. "I had an official in Orlando tell me once, 'There will never be gangs in Orlando. This is the land of Mickey Mouse.' Well, at last count, there were about 2,500 gang members in Orange County."

Gangs inevitably turn to violence, Keeble says. Just as a serious juvenile delinquent goes from stealing a bike to stealing a car to more serious crimes, so do gangs, he says.

"If there is another gang in their area, they just push each other to be bigger and badder," he says.

Keeble insists it doesn't matter whether gang kids live in Miami, Palm Beach County or under the pecan trees and Spanish moss of North Florida.

"Someday, someone is going to get shot," he says. "You can't wait until the bullets are flying to admit you have a problem."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: aliens; banglist; crime; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; ms13
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To: kellynla

The family values dont stop at the Border Bush Lies through his as* ping.


61 posted on 04/10/2007 8:32:10 AM PDT by sasafras (Multiculturalism is a solvent invented by the left to destroy our culture and end our history)
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To: Joe Brower

Are they illegal aliens? The media will not say. Many illegal aliens drive drunk and have killed people all over the U.S. Gang violence has been in LA as long as I can remember. It’s arrived in Florida. This was at a beach. We are also hvg more drive-bys, just like in California. Mexican gang members are serious about killing people, rape and driving drunk.


62 posted on 04/10/2007 8:35:33 AM PDT by floriduh voter (Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: Cagey; Larry Lucido; MotleyGirl70

“Gadsden has long had local street gangs: the Chat Boys from Chattahoochee, 773 gang from Quincy, the Killer Hard Boys from the Hardaway neighborhood, who have little history of violence.”

It won’t be long before the Van Buren Boys show up.


63 posted on 04/10/2007 8:37:38 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (A day in the country is better than a week in town.)
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To: ctdonath2
That’s why Rudy is so popular: “law and order”.

That's why Rudy "sanctuary city and gun grabber" Giuliani didn't break 10% among members in the poll city. He's every bit the front for corporations seeking cheap foreign labor to replace the middle class as Jorge Bush.

64 posted on 04/10/2007 9:02:52 AM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: ctdonath2
That’s why Rudy is so popular: “law and order”.

I live in a fairly rural area with no township police force.

Rudy and his gun-grabbing can go suck eggs out here. It was his support of shamnesty and sanctuary city policies that helped create this mess. It is my personal firearms that protect me from this mess.

65 posted on 04/10/2007 9:05:02 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: kellynla

Why is this allowed?


66 posted on 04/10/2007 9:06:20 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: apocalypto

‘cause we have a POTUS who is more interested in not offending the inlaws than enforcing the immigration laws which he took an oath to enforce.


67 posted on 04/10/2007 9:14:03 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: skepsel

In the ‘highland’ country a bag of hot lime does wonders but in southern Florida and the coastal areas, the ground water level is too high for it to be as effective.


68 posted on 04/10/2007 10:22:07 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Steer clear of entangling alliances with any portion of the foreign world." -George Washington-)
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To: fso301

They (Democrats) want to let the illegals in, give them welfare and subsidized housing, and at the same time take away your guns, leaving you defensless against MS-13.


69 posted on 04/10/2007 11:15:30 AM PDT by Thunder90
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To: kellynla

Then tag them too. Bullets are cheaper than lawyers. /sarc/ (maybe.)


70 posted on 04/10/2007 12:31:13 PM PDT by 95 Bravo ("Freedom is not free.")
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To: Joe Brower

Thanks for the ping.


71 posted on 04/10/2007 2:09:42 PM PDT by GOPJ (Good judgment's often the child of bad judgment.)
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To: kellynla
There is no controversy about the 'gang issue' in my neighborhood - if someone wants to assault one of my neighbors (or even vandalize their homes), the word is they will encounter "la vida muerta."

In other words, I live in a very GOOD neighborhood - no dumb@ss "13"s get painted anywhere around here...

;>)

72 posted on 04/10/2007 3:11:34 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Just don't call me Geraldo...")
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To: Who is John Galt?

You may be living in a nice neighborhood but if you so much for a second believe you and your family are immune to the criminal element and illegal drugs in NM and/or crossing your border with Mexico not to mention the meth labs operating in NM;
you have another thought coming because it isn’t the Boy Scouts trafficking those drugs.

And you can start educating yourself on the illegal drug problems in NM here:
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/newmexico.html


73 posted on 04/10/2007 3:36:13 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
...if you so much for a second believe you and your family are immune to the criminal element...

Most of my neighbors are immigrants. They are good people. I do not believe I am "immune" - but I do believe in my neighbors. This is a 'quiet neighborhood' (retired railroad workers, etc.). Period. Anyone who wants to change that will be dealing with my neighbors, a heck of a lot sooner than they will ever have to deal with me...

74 posted on 04/10/2007 3:46:51 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Just don't call me Geraldo...")
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To: HiJinx

Bump!


75 posted on 04/10/2007 5:10:27 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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