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Physicist needs $20,000 for time-travel experiment
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | 4/8/07 | Tom Paulson

Posted on 04/09/2007 12:40:41 PM PDT by LibWhacker

Without funding, lab space will be lost

The Seattle scientist who wants to test a controversial prediction from quantum theory that says light particles can go backward in time is, himself, running out of time.

It's not a wormhole or warp in the space-time continuum. The problem is more mundane -- a black hole in the time-and-money continuum spawned by today's increasingly risk-averse, "performance-based" approach to funding research.

"I guess you could say we're now living on borrowed time," wryly joked John Cramer, a physicist at the University of Washington. "All we need to keep going is maybe $20,000, but nobody seems that interested in funding this project."

It's a project that aims to do a conceptually simple bench-top test for evidence of something Albert Einstein called "spooky action at a distance." The test involves using a crystal to split a photon, a light particle, into two reduced-energy photons that -- through careful manipulation -- Cramer thinks could reveal a flash of time traveling backward.

The UW physicist has applied for funds from the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts (NIAC) and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). Both agencies have, in the past, funded far-fetched ideas and, on occasion, had big hits -- such as the Internet.

DARPA recently sent out requests for proposals from researchers interested in developing shape-shifting, liquid robots (think Terminator 2) as well as cyborg insects (half robot, half normal bug). NIAC has funded similar projects and first took seriously science fiction author Arthur C. Clarke's idea of a geosynchronous elevator into space.

"I've heard that NASA is closing down NIAC so I don't expect to get any funding from them," Cramer said. "And the guy from DARPA decided what I was trying to do was too weird even for DARPA."

The military research establishment thinks testing a fundamental paradox in physics is weirder than seeking to build a sci-fi robot they saw in an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie?

Still, it is fair to say Cramer, an experimentalist with plenty of scientific "street cred" from his stints at mainstream places such as the Brookhaven National Laboratory and Geneva-based CERN (the world's largest particle physics lab), has gone out on a theoretical limb lately.

To begin with, he thinks the celebrated theoretical physicist and author of "A Brief History of Time," Stephen Hawking (who happens to speaking tonight at the Seattle Center's McCaw Hall), is wrong. Not about everything. Just time.

"Hawking has this 'arrow of time' idea in which he argues that time can only advance in one direction, forward," Cramer said. It's appealing, elegant and certainly makes sense intuitively, he noted, because this is the only way we experience time.

Unfortunately, the one-way notion of time doesn't fit all that well with the mathematical and experimental evidence of quantum theory. This is a highly counter-intuitive branch of physics, also known as quantum mechanics, that describes the bizarre behavior of matter at the atomic and subatomic levels.

One of the mysteries of quantum mechanics is the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox. Quantum theory predicts two subatomic particles derived from a single particle -- like two photons split from a single photon -- will, if not further influenced by other particles, continue to influence each other's behavior no matter how far apart.

This is known as "entanglement." Experiments at the subatomic level tend to support the idea, but there's a conceptual problem. It means the two photons must be able to communicate instantaneously, even if light years apart, which violates the speed of light.

"There's been a lot of interest in this problem over the years," Cramer said. In 1986, he proposed a solution to this paradox that he called the "transactional interpretation" of quantum theory. Some of his approach was based on the ideas of such physics luminaries as Richard Feynman and John Wheeler.

Basically, Cramer showed how entanglement could be explained -- and how the paradox could be explained away -- by assuming some kind of signal that can travel both forward and backward in time between the two photons. His theory, he says, violates no rules of quantum theory and resolves the mystery.

All that's needed now, Cramer said, is some way to provide evidence that it's real.

In the basement of the UW's Astronomy and Physics building, the UW physicist and his student, Skander Mzali, are making do with what they can find in the lab. At the business end of an ultraviolet laser is an array of prisms, filters, splitters and other devices aimed at directing or altering the laser light.

A camera hooked up to a computer monitor sits at the receiving end. On the PC monitor is a grainy screen displaying an interference pattern of photons.

What Cramer hopes to be able to do is split a photon, sending two "entangled" photons down two very different pathways of varying lengths using fiber-optic cables. Photons can exist in either particle or wave forms. The outcome can be manipulated by placement of detectors.

Because the photons are entangled, however one is detected (i.e., whether as a particle or a wave) also will determine the form taken by the other. But by running one photon through a 10-kilometer spool of optic cable, the second photon will be delayed 50 microseconds.

In short, moving the location of the detector for the delayed photon to change it from wave to particle would also change the first photon -- according to standard quantum theory. For this to happen, some kind of signal has to go backward in time.

"In 20 years, nobody has been able to tell me why this can't work," Cramer said. "They just say it can't work like that. It's unacceptable."

To really see if they can pull this off, the UW physicist said, he would rather not have to depend upon what kind of scraps they can cobble together. Cramer said they first need a more precise crystal prism and a more sensitive camera.

So, time, if not proven yet to sometimes run backward, is running out on the UW experiment seeking evidence of "quantum retrocausality." They will lose the lab space soon if they can't move forward with the project, Cramer said.

"We're about to hit the wall if we don't get funding," he said. "It would be a shame because even if this doesn't work, I'm sure we'd learn something from trying."


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 20000; cramer; experiment; needs; physicist; timetravel
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1 posted on 04/09/2007 12:40:43 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

I’ll give him the money with the provision he sends me back with last weeks winning lotto number.


2 posted on 04/09/2007 12:42:14 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: LibWhacker

I promised him some money yesterday, but he never came back to get it.


3 posted on 04/09/2007 12:42:47 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: LibWhacker
Can I make a pledge? I will gladly pay him Tuesday for a time travel machine today.
4 posted on 04/09/2007 12:43:07 PM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I think next week’s would be more valuable.


5 posted on 04/09/2007 12:43:51 PM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: LibWhacker

I’ll do it for $10,000. Just send me a check.


6 posted on 04/09/2007 12:43:58 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: LibWhacker
Physicist needs $20,000 for time-travel experiment

If he would simply use a Chevette or Yugo instead of a DeLorean, he wouldn't need this much money.

7 posted on 04/09/2007 12:44:56 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: LibWhacker
Deloreans just aren't worth what they used to be.


8 posted on 04/09/2007 12:46:10 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: LibWhacker

As luck would have it, I have $20,000 I inherited when my grandfather was the victim of a coup. I can’t trust anyone - even my own relatives - to help me. Before the new government closes in I must move this money out of the country. Maybe I should contact this Cramer.


9 posted on 04/09/2007 12:46:12 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
"I’ll do it for $10,000. Just send me a check."

You'll undoubtedly disappear into the future.

10 posted on 04/09/2007 12:46:35 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (McCain / Feingold - 2008 ... "Shut Up or Go To Prison")
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To: TexasCajun

There is an ‘86 or so Toyota MR-2 in my hometown that someone has modified to look like that car.

The things people do!


11 posted on 04/09/2007 12:47:51 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: LibWhacker

I am surprised the powerful and forward-looking Sen. Patty Murray of Washington hasn’t been able to get this research funded for him by the feds. It sound a lot like some of the research federal taxpayers are asked to fund.


12 posted on 04/09/2007 12:50:35 PM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: Physicist

You know you shouldn’t be asking for donations during the Free Republic pledge drive.


13 posted on 04/09/2007 12:50:53 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: LibWhacker; AntiGuv
No to time travel. Yes to hyperdrives.

And ping.

14 posted on 04/09/2007 12:51:32 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: LibWhacker

I wouldn’t suggest anyone help him out. Quite obviously John never succeeded, else he would have wired himself the money from the future.


15 posted on 04/09/2007 12:52:22 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: LibWhacker

Just somehow connect the experiment to GLOBAL WARMING and it will soon be overfunded.


16 posted on 04/09/2007 12:52:25 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: LibWhacker

The guy is probably right but science isn’t about being right its about having the politics right. There was an interesting experiment using entanglement...

http://www.qci.jst.go.jp/eqis02/program/abstract/poster6.pdf

http://www.bu.edu/qil/projects/entanglement.html

Entanglement is going to play a huge role in technical advancement over the next 50 years.


17 posted on 04/09/2007 12:52:53 PM PDT by Maelstorm (A wise man develops a philosophy that drives his politics not the other way around.)
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To: LibWhacker

Apparently he doesn’t get it. Else we would have seen time travelers showing up by now.


18 posted on 04/09/2007 12:52:55 PM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: LibWhacker

~~~~~~~~~zing~~~~~~~~~~

Did you see this article go right over my head?

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19 posted on 04/09/2007 12:54:32 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: LibWhacker
I put instant coffee in a microwave oven and almost went back in time.
-- Stephen Wright
20 posted on 04/09/2007 12:55:42 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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