Posted on 04/06/2007 7:17:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
We need 100’s of millions of more illegal aliens/ sarcasm
Actually we will get another couple 100 million in the next 20 years if they pass amnesty. Almost one half of this country will be third world, poor and illiterate.
Just how many will be enough before even the liberals get it?
“Bilbray has always been tough on the border issue.”
Unless he is limiting his idea to a bunch of farm workers,
He’s a lost cause.
Tricked us.
He spoke so strong to Bush before.
FYI, Clinton sold the “midnight basketball” and it was a flop.
So you think a new CCC wouldn’t be UNION, huh?
Hey, I got an idea! Why not pass a Free Trade agreement and then Mexico will be just like the USA and then all the illegals will go home in ten years?
He's a Leftist, why did anyone believe him?
Your gonna have to add something about while your on ‘guest worker’ status if you give birth here that kid is not a citizen.
If your city has tens of thousands of illegals and your city is paying millions a dollars a yr for their health care, etc. and put up with their crime, most won’t learn English and takes down the school system.
You watch in person while 50,000 march and rally with Che t-shirts and signs saying Gringo go back to Europe, this is our country, you might think of a better idea.
I’m gonna wait and see what his position is on putting Baking Soda behind the counter and taking plastic bags out of supermarkets before I make a knee-jerk response.
Easy, because it keeps the illegals out. And I’m willing to bet keeping the poor occupied will pay for itself with less social services used by illegals and a reduction in crime.
*FYI* Midnight basketball wasn’t a flop where I live. And the program was proposed by GHWB not Clinton. Clinton just implemented it.
A government job bank offering illegals sweeping floors at minimum wage? You’re gonna have Civil Right orgs crying slavery and unions wanting “social justice.” And the worlds poor would come in droves knowing the United States will pay them.
RE: *FYI* Midnight basketball wasn’t a flop where I live.
Where do yo live?
Sorry I wasn’t clear.
The issue, at least to me, is that the government and companies are taking advantage of the porous border to fill unskilled jobs with illegals. This is a great situation for the government and companies. Illegals have better work ethics and are easily disposable.
They do have a point. The American underclass lacks the sort of self-discipline they need to improve their lot in life. So what I’m arguing is that we need a new system to deal with the unemployable sectors of society and work on using them as a substitute for illegals.
Regarding unemployment, it depends on where you are. I have the privilege of living in a majority minority area. Minority women don’t have much of a problem, they form the backbone of the economy here. However, minority men are completely unemployable(for good reason).
Something has to give, and fast, or the entire US is going to look like Detroit and LA.
not one to give out PI, but let’s just say it’s a minority area.
Post some statistical data or local story. I’ll even agree that providing physical outlets, distracts the participant from engaging in other behaviors. It’s not the role of government to have a compulsory labor force. Anything less than that competes with the market. We don’t need a “New Deal” program.
We don’t? The problem is there is *no* market outside of the illegals. A friend, a construction contractor, told me more or less that he would love to hire Americans. However the Americans that showed up were either completely antisocial or drug addicts.
It’s fascistic and unamerican, I know. But unless we do something with the underclass we have now it’s only going to get worse. Look at LA.
Here’s a link to Midnight Basketball:
http://rptsweb.tamu.edu/Faculty/Witt/wittpub5.htm
Figure 2
Crime Statistics Changes Due to Recreation Program Initiation
(Witt & Crompton, 1996b)
* Cincinnati, Ohio, reported a 31% decrease in crime incidents in the first six months after the Winton Hills prevention programs began.
* Commerce, California, compared gang related assaults in their city with neighboring East Los Angeles to demonstrate program effectiveness. In East Los Angeles there were 140 gang related assaults and 11 homicides in 1993 compared to seven gang related assaults and zero homicides in Commerce.
* Kansas City, Missouri, reported a 25% decrease in the rate of juvenile apprehensions compared to the previous year in the areas abutting centers in which Midnight Basketball programs were offered.
* In Fort Worth, Texas, crime statistics supplied by the Police Department indicated in a one mile radius of the community centers where the midnight basketball was provided, crime dropped 28%. At five other community centers where these programs did not exist, crime rose an average of 39%.
I agree, in an ideal world, that’s how things would work. But most minority neighborhoods don’t have any of those resources. Where I live the drug dealers have become the de facto community leaders. Until you can provide some sort of alternative, I can’t see any other way out of the mess other than a government program. It’s huge and inefficient, but until there’s a viable alternative that’s the only way. Mandatory military service would be another way, but given the current situation that’s untenable.
Blaming public schools is easy. But when you’ve got children that act no different than animals you do the best with what you have. I have a great deal of respect for the school teachers in my area.
As I understand your point, National Service is what will occur and there are plans from both parties. I'm no fan of compulsory service, but I see they way the wind is blowing. IMO we'll have it sooner than later. That will not solve the problem of a lack of work ethic or moral turpitude. Knowing, understanding and living what is right from wrong is the true way.
Hmmm... is the National Service you’re talking about like Americore? Could you give me a link to some of the proposals?
You can’t get something from nothing. Until there’s a critical mass of young minorities with the skills and discipline they need to survive in society they’ll have the only morality they know. The ghetto.
The best link that shows that both parties involved is from http://www.talkleft.com/story/2004/09/22/510/80101
Some more at FR, use keyword search nationalservice
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1594306/posts
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