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Giuliani to social conservatives: Take it or leave it
CNN ^ | April 05, 2007

Posted on 04/05/2007 11:53:32 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: econjack
Slow down and think more carefully. That is my advice to you.

My time point is 1913.

Even disregarding my time reference and focusing on nearer history the higher marginal rates that continued from the Roosevelt era affected far fewer in those brackets and the mid-level margins were much softer.

Women were able to stay home and raise a family. One wage earner sufficed for the family unit and basic needs were not a problem. People had discretionary income and chose to save.

That was only one generation ago.

The point to you was that you accused people of focusing on ‘one issue’ in post #200. That ‘one’ issue is a huge set of issues.

Abortion, Economics, Education and Security are linked in more ways than one.

That you recanted and admitted that abortion is tied to other issues shows a capacity for discourse but to handwave that you would choose an abortion supporter who is tough on terrorism is a red herring. It makes no logical sense because there are those that will be tougher on terrorism yet are wholly prolife.

We're done.

701 posted on 04/05/2007 3:17:58 PM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Thanks for letting me know, Rudy.
702 posted on 04/05/2007 3:18:09 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo (If the Moon didn't exist, people would have traveled to Mars by now.)
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To: P-Marlowe; Fishrrman; xzins; EternalVigilance

I do not agree that the mushy middle will save giuliani.

The mushy middle is highly susceptible to the media, and the media will begin slicing and dicing Rudi’s many, many oddities as soon as he gets the nomination.

John Kerry convinced nearly a majority of America to support him. So did Gore. Those same numbers are now vetted voters. And many of them were the “mushy middle.”

Hillary/Obama can expect that same support. Giuliani will get his share of the mush, but he’ll give up a huge percentage of his base.

Why do you think Romney scored so heavily against him? Why do you think that Thompson registered double digits without even campaigning when his name was mentioned?

Giuliani cannot afford to lose even one percent of Bush’s supporters, and he’s throwing away up to a third of it.


703 posted on 04/05/2007 3:19:09 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Sweet?Are you eighteen? If so, that explains a lot. V's wife.
704 posted on 04/05/2007 3:19:19 PM PDT by ventana
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To: P-Marlowe
And lose we will IMO.

Hilliary will beat Rudy if he is the candidate because she is the real deal.

705 posted on 04/05/2007 3:19:20 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: ventana

I doubt I am as old as the harpie squad you run with, but old enough to know a lot more than you.


706 posted on 04/05/2007 3:20:48 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (One fish, two fish, I want to go catch bluefish.)
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To: SJackson

I heard it just today on Rush (I’m fairly certain now.) I believe in introducing it that Rush said he was playing Rudy at some recent Q&A with a media reporter.


708 posted on 04/05/2007 3:21:24 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

You don’t know squat. And that is becoming increasingly apparent. V’s wife.


709 posted on 04/05/2007 3:22:25 PM PDT by ventana
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To: xzins

It was also just on Fox with Brit a few minutes ago.


710 posted on 04/05/2007 3:22:45 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: streetpreacher

He was not being interviewed by Rush.

Rush was playing excerpts of a Q&A interview that Rudy gave to some media reporter.


711 posted on 04/05/2007 3:23:01 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Not planning to vote for Rudy under any circumstance.


712 posted on 04/05/2007 3:23:18 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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To: PRND21

Dumb hacks?

ESAD.

You groupthinktards never cease to amaze me. You are quite welcome to disregard your principles and vote for that scum sucking liberal POS RINO Rudy, but since I see no difference fundamentally between him and HRC, I will sleep just fine at night with my clear conscience by not voting for either if the country is unlucky enough to have those two as the only choice for POTUS in 08.

I’ll think of you the next time I see a batch of lemmings heading over the cliff.


713 posted on 04/05/2007 3:24:09 PM PDT by Pox (Just say NO to RINO Rudy!)
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To: Syncro; SJackson; P-Marlowe; streetpreacher

See #710.

Syncro says Brit Hume just replayed the same thing.


714 posted on 04/05/2007 3:24:38 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Syncro; xzins
Pretty current, he said it today

Thanks,

Ultimately, it's a constitutional right, and therefore if it's a constitutional right, ultimately, even if you do it on a state-by-state basis, you have to make sure people are protected,

There must be public funding for abortions for poor women We cannot deny any woman the right to make her own decisions about abortion.

I thought he was commenting on public financing only, not to argue that point, but clearly he feels there's a Constitutional right to abortion.

715 posted on 04/05/2007 3:24:46 PM PDT by SJackson (restoring the Jews to their homeland is a noble dream shared by many Americans, A. Lincoln)
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To: Jim Robinson
I will not be supporting or voting for any abortion rights, gay rights, illegal alien rights, gun grabbing liberal under any circumstances whatsoever. Rudy does not deserve conservative support, does not want it and will not get it. Thank you very much.

Big Bump.

717 posted on 04/05/2007 3:26:10 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Fierce Allegiance

You are a POS.


718 posted on 04/05/2007 3:26:16 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Syncro
It was also just on Fox with Brit a few minutes ago.

Is it on YouTube yet?

This is gonna hurt Rudy. GOOD! Republican voters need to know exactly where liberal Rudy stands on core issues. Once that happens, his support will drop faster than Clinton's trousers.

719 posted on 04/05/2007 3:27:43 PM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: xzins

Thanks, found the quote. Clearly he’s not talking about the narrow issue of public financing for a legal procedure, but seems to state quite clearly that access to abortion is a Constitutional right. And not the law of the land based on the Supremes decison, but a Constitutional right. At least he’s straigtforward.


720 posted on 04/05/2007 3:27:46 PM PDT by SJackson (restoring the Jews to their homeland is a noble dream shared by many Americans, A. Lincoln)
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