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Welcome to Mediterranean Scotland in 5 years time?
NEWS.scotsman.com ^ | Thu 5 Apr 2007 | Eben Harrel

Posted on 04/05/2007 2:21:49 AM PDT by jsh3180

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To: SIDENET
"Climate refugees"? Has anyone heard this term used before? We may have a new global warming term.

Here in the south, we call them "Snowbirds."

21 posted on 04/05/2007 6:20:33 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: jsh3180
Dodgy dykes let the sea into the reactor.

Best keep them dykes away from the reactor. Especially the bull dykes.

22 posted on 04/05/2007 7:37:07 AM PDT by sionnsar
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To: jsh3180
The IPCC is a very conservative body

Compared to what? Greenpeace? PETA? Those idiots that chain themselves to trees and worship Mother Gaia??

No bias here. Say Three "Hail AlGore"s and move along.

23 posted on 04/05/2007 8:05:52 AM PDT by wbill
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To: jsh3180

Well let’s see. The last time this happened were their cars, people and everything else that caused this? I believe the answer would be no. So if it happens again perhaps it is a natural occurance and supposed to happen. What is so difficult to understand about this?


24 posted on 04/05/2007 8:09:31 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: jsh3180

By the way, I am not doing anything for the environment, I am just going to buy carbon credits...that is the in thing for the “real” people. UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


25 posted on 04/05/2007 8:11:41 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

And halfbacks.


26 posted on 04/05/2007 8:14:42 AM PDT by doodad
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To: jsh3180
"But many climate experts say this method of modelling ignores the possibility of "tipping points" at which the climate suddenly spirals out of control."

That's when women take their clothes off.

27 posted on 04/05/2007 8:40:46 AM PDT by BobS
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To: jsh3180

I’ve heard the Scotsman is a liberal rag and pimp for every leftist cause there is.


28 posted on 04/05/2007 1:56:08 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Pray for our President and for our heroes in Iraq and Afghanistan, and around the world!)
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Europe's climate has switched from arctic to tropical in three to five years and, they warn, it can happen again.

Long before the Industrial Era, apparently, so why are they panicking?

29 posted on 04/05/2007 1:57:27 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Pray for our President and for our heroes in Iraq and Afghanistan, and around the world!)
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To: jsh3180
The following graphs show that Earth is in a brief period of global warming called an interglacial. The longer time spans, the deep troughs are glacial periods. The line that runs across the graphs is the temperature in 1950 and listed as "0" on the left axis.

As can be seen in Figure 1-5, Earth appears ready to move toward another ice age in the cycle.

I'm more concerned with sustaining global warming to offset global cooling and the next ice age. 

Ice Ages & Astronomical Causes
Brief Introduction to the History of Climate
by Richard A. Muller

Origin of the 100 kyr Glacial Cycle

This first graph looks bad, doesn't it -- steeper upward temperature trend. Horizontal red line is temperature at 1950.

Figure 1-1 Global warming

The second graph shows today's temperature isn't out of the norm. Horizontal blue line is temperature at 1950.

Figure 1-2 Climate of the last 2400 years

The next graph shows a downtrend in temperatures from 8,000 years ago to today. The down trend is steeper in the recent 2,000 years. From left to right the upper spikes have lower highs while the lower spikes have lower lows. (The same effect can be seen in Figure 1-2, above.) 

Figure 1-3 Climate of the last 12,000 years

This graph shows that agriculture and  stationary societies emerged 8,000 years ago during a time frame when global temperature was much higher than normal, or average.

Figure 1-4 Climate of the last 100,000 years

The next graph shows that the recent 8,000 years was one of five brief hot spikes when glaciers were at minimums. With much longer troughs when glacials (ice ages) were the norm most of the time.

Figure 1-5 Climate for the last 420 kyr, from Vostok ice

The graph below is reversed. That is, the left side is present day and the right side is 3 million years ago. It shows a 3 million year down trend toward widening extremes in the temperature cycle.

Figure 1-6 Climate for the last 3 million years

The final graph shows CO2 lagging temperature change -- not leading it.

Figure 1-7 CO2 and temperature for the last 450 kyr

When man can cause meaningful global warming yesterday would be a good time to begin thwarting the next ice age.

The Great Global Warming Swindle 

30 posted on 04/05/2007 2:01:20 PM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

As glaciers melt off Greenland it raises upward from the weight reduction. I wonder how other larger land masses covered in ice respond to their ice melting off.


31 posted on 04/05/2007 2:04:02 PM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: jsh3180
There is guerrilla warfare on the US-Canadian border.

Yeah....like they can stop us. :o)

32 posted on 04/05/2007 2:10:23 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
Long before the Industrial Era, apparently, so why are they panicking?

Yep. When I ask people who panic about GW why the glaciers have been melting for the last 11 thousand years what that has to do with CO2 emissions I get this blank stare.

33 posted on 04/05/2007 2:41:46 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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WHILE the international community readies itself for gradual global warming over the next century, a growing number of scientists are beginning to worry that climate change might come much sooner - and be much more catastrophic - than previously thought.

Thank God! Can we be 100% sure that this CATASTROPHE will kill absolutely everyone?

Because if there is the slightest doubt, I'm leaving my car running overnight.

34 posted on 04/05/2007 2:43:46 PM PDT by Lazamataz (God: Always, In All Ways.)
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35 posted on 04/05/2007 2:52:40 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Will I be suspended again for this remark?)
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To: jsh3180
But there are many scientists who are increasingly worried about a sudden and catastrophic acceleration that could happen at any time.

It is embarassing to be living in times when so many people are so gullable that science has become chicken little.

36 posted on 04/05/2007 3:50:07 PM PDT by SteamShovel
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