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Overdue ruling crushed years of 2nd Amendment abuse

The tcpalm.com does show some editorial balance.

1 posted on 03/30/2007 5:09:21 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

LOL squared.


2 posted on 03/30/2007 5:12:20 PM PDT by Condor 63
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To: neverdem
Lincoln, not Jefferson Davis, is the guiding spirit behind our system of constitutional government.

Huh, somehow I forgot how Lincoln was at the Constitutional Convention.
3 posted on 03/30/2007 5:12:26 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (A fine is a tax on doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. Gingrich/Bolton '08)
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To: neverdem

Never believe anyone's opinion on the 2nd amendment who thinks you can explain United States vs. Miller in a single simple sentence.


4 posted on 03/30/2007 5:16:15 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: neverdem
Southern attempts to withdraw from the union quickly led to individuals taking up arms to fight what they perceived as federal tyranny.

I'm no fan of the Confederacy, but this is just stupid. The southern states, not individuals, took up arms to fight against "federal tyranny."

the Constitution did not countenance armed rebellion against the federal government.

Of course it didn't. Confederates never claimed it did. They withdrew from the Constitution, basing their "right" to do so on the theory that the states retained their full sovereignty even after joining the US under the Constitution.

As a backup justification they had the right of all men to revolution, as expressed in the Declaration of Independence.

This is merely a very lame attempt to associate the recent DC ruling with the Confederacy, guilt by association and all that. Won't work.

6 posted on 03/30/2007 5:20:28 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: neverdem

>The Parker case breaks from this precedent

Piss on precedent, Parker broke from history and principle.


7 posted on 03/30/2007 5:23:29 PM PDT by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: neverdem
As president, Lincoln acted on his belief that violence against the government was illegal and unconstitutional.

Unless you win.

In his first inaugural address he stated, "It is safe to assert that no government proper ever had a provision in its organic law for its own termination."

Yes, they all do. It's called the people.

8 posted on 03/30/2007 5:26:52 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: neverdem

Good grief - he's (1) wrong about the ruling, (2) wrong about the Second Amendment, (3) wrong about the Confederacy, (4) wrong about the Civil War, and (5) wrong about the Constitution in general. I'd call it a clean sweep.


10 posted on 03/30/2007 5:29:40 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: neverdem

Lincoln was clintonizing before we were wetting our diapers. This is classic:

""It is safe to assert that no government proper ever had a provision in its organic law for its own termination." "

The Declaration of Independence, written 4 score and 7 years before Gettysburg, says that the people can abolish their government when they deem it no longer SERVES THEM!

4 score and seven years before Gettysburg, our fathers brought forth a new Confederacy!!!


11 posted on 03/30/2007 5:29:58 PM PDT by H.Akston (Jihad - my struggle - mien kampf.)
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To: neverdem

The attempted connection is nonsense. The whole idea of the population being armed is to prevent the gov't from even considering abusing the rights of the citizens. The Civil War was just that, a civil war, and supposedly over states rights, not individual rights.


12 posted on 03/30/2007 5:31:05 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: neverdem
This last claim, that individuals have a right to take up arms against representative government, was last tried out by the Confederate States of America.

And the point of this is, exactly, what? Forget about the Civil War, this person would be writing on behalf of the Crown in 1776, of course. Exactly the same things.

13 posted on 03/30/2007 5:43:39 PM PDT by WingBolt
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To: neverdem
Josh, you need to take your paper home and work on it some more to correct your factual inaccuracies and faulty logic or I will be forced to give you the first FFF grade I have ever given.
Signed
Your first grade teacher
14 posted on 03/30/2007 5:50:27 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: neverdem

The South shall rise!


15 posted on 03/30/2007 5:50:35 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: neverdem
Horwitz is the executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence...

Pretzel logic from committed socialist.

16 posted on 03/30/2007 5:52:10 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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22 posted on 03/30/2007 6:35:17 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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ping


23 posted on 03/30/2007 6:35:45 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: neverdem; stainlessbanner; 4CJ; stand watie
As he asked the nation to go to war to protect its sovereignty,

First time I've heard collection of taxes described as 'protection of sovereignty'...

The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the Government and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere.

abe needed the cash. To continue the failed system of 'internal improvements'. Give him money he thinks is his due and he promises not to destroy your homeland. Some people would call that extortion. Course the Jaffaites will continue the claim abe was sent from Heaven itself to save the glorious union to eventually propogate 'democracy' around the world and he needed to protect Southerners from themselves....

26 posted on 03/30/2007 6:42:21 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: neverdem

up yours you socialist myrmidon!

(directed to the author, not the poster)

This is a Republic. Get over it.


38 posted on 03/30/2007 7:50:44 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: neverdem
Horwitz is the executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and a visiting scholar at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

Horiwitz is also a complete ignoramus when it come to the Constitution (or perhaps he needs to brush up on his math and most defiantly his history.)

When Abraham Lincoln was elected president in 1860, many Southerners, fearing that Lincoln would abolish slavery, felt they had no obligation to accept the results of the election.

Lincoln, nor any President, had no power whatsoever to end slavery. All agreed then and now, that to end slavery required a constitutional amendment.

Amendments have been very few over the last 230 years for a simple reason. They have to be approved by 3/4 of the states only after a 2/3 majority vote in each house of congress.

Even today, if slavery still existed, with 50 states instead of the 35 that existed in 1860, an amendment to ban slavery could not pass if if it were rejected by only 13 states. In 1860, it would have only taken six states to block an amendment yet their were 15 slave states who obviously oppose such and amendment.

The issue in 1860 was expansion of slavery, not the abolition of slavery. Lincoln only promised to stop expansion of slavery --- which had been a bone of contention between the north and south for the previous 40 years. No sane person, North or South, thought he could abolish slavery with some stroke of the pen. And no one even considered gun control back then --- except in the Confederacy where blacks could not own firearms.

41 posted on 03/30/2007 8:12:14 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: neverdem
Liberals like Josh Horwitz view gun owners as rednecks and anti-black racists. The truth is far different. The first "gun control" laws in America were enacted in Southern States after the Civil War in a bid by Democratic Party racists to disarm blacks and leave them defenseless before Ku Klux Klan lynch mobs. That's the dark side and racist pedigree of gun control laws Horwitz doesn't want his readers to know about - the same Confederate racism that has kept DC's blacks powerless and totally disarmed for the last quarter century. Never mind his ignorance of the history of the Second Amendment; as y'all can see here, the fruit does not fall far from the poisoned tree.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

42 posted on 03/30/2007 8:19:47 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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47 posted on 03/30/2007 9:05:23 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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