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---"You don't care how many conservatives endorse and support him -- even with shaping his approach towards conservatism."---

Good, then you accept the facts:

1.) Rudy's own team confesses serious problems getting Conservatives on board for the "ground game."

2.) A whole lot of SoCons and Gun Conservatives will work for his defeat (not Hillary's victory, Rudy's defeat) in the General Election if Liberals like yourself are successful in forcing an abhorrent candidate upon Conservatives.

3.) You see Hillary as much worse than Rudy - YOU DO. That does not mean that WE DO. He's not much better than Hillary at ALL, and the damage he would do to the Conservative movement in this country actually makes him the preferred losing candidate in a Rudy vs. Hitlery matchup in 2008 (or should I say Tag-Team instead of matchup?).

4.) You may not care that he lies, flip-flops, and holds staunchly Liberal views. It is probably the reason you support him. But many of us do care.

5.) You will meet with no more success selling Rudy to those of us who FEAR him as the GOP candidate during a General Election than you are having now during the primaries. You may dream that everyone will suddenly see what a stalwart, historic, unwavering Super-Conservative Rudy is (and suddenly see how ALL of our issues don't matter at ALL anymore), and come rushing to his rescue all for the virtue of his Authoritative leadership instead of Hillary, but it WILL NOT HAPPEN.

5.) Conservatives aren't supporting Rudy. That's why every time there is anyone even marginally Conservative who announces support for Rudy, there is a Press Conference, mass of blog postings at Conservative websites, and parades down Madison Avenue with Rudy in a float. "LOOK THERE"S A CONSERVATIVE IN AMERICA SUPPORTING RUDY, WOO-HOO!!!!!

6.) There will be few greater days in the HISTORY of the Conservative movement than the day that Rudy Giuliani is forced to waste his time going to the GOP Convention (remember how he said this?) to endorse the ticket of two Republicans who aren't him in 2008.

7.) Liberals like yourself will never have a candidate Liberal enough for you in the GOP. So why do you purists persist at Free Republic?

TitanAFC: "3.) You see Hillary as much worse than Rudy - YOU DO. That does not mean that WE DO. He's not much better than Hillary at ALL, and the damage he would do to the Conservative movement in this country actually makes him the preferred losing candidate in a Rudy vs. Hitlery matchup in 2008 (or should I say Tag-Team instead of matchup?)."

Thank you for admitting your support for Hillary. Anybody who doesn't think Hillary is the worst thing, the very worst thing that can happen to this country and isn't actively trying to prevent it, IS NO CONSERVATIVE. PERIOD.

Conservatives aren't supporting Rudy. That's why every time there is anyone even marginally Conservative who announces support for Rudy, there is a Press Conference, mass of blog postings at Conservative websites, and parades down Madison Avenue with Rudy in a float. "LOOK THERE"S A CONSERVATIVE IN AMERICA SUPPORTING RUDY, WOO-HOO!!!!!

6.) There will be few greater days in the HISTORY of the Conservative movement than the day that Rudy Giuliani is forced to waste his time going to the GOP Convention (remember how he said this?) to endorse the ticket of two Republicans who aren't him in 2008.

7.) Liberals like yourself will never have a candidate Liberal enough for you in the GOP. So why do you purists persist at Free Republic?

Rudy Haters love to make up "stuff" just so they can vent. You are wrong about conservatives not supporting Rudy Giuliani:

....Dick Morris
excerpt of article dated March 29, 2007

The most recent Gallup polling still reflects broad support for Rudy. Not only is he leading among moderate Republicans, but he has a strong lead among conservatives as well. These data belie the contention of some commentators who say that when voters learn that Giuliani is pro-life, pro-gun control, and pro-gay civil unions that they will turn off his candidacy in droves. Despite extensive publicity of Rudy’s positions on these issues, he is holding a big lead among conservatives.

Giuliani leads McCain among self-described moderate Republicans by 48-26, but also leads among conservative GOP voters by 38-20, both very significant margins:

Republican Vote By Ideology

Moderate Conservatives

Giuliani 48% 38%
McCain 26% 20%
Romney 3% 8%
Gingrich 2% 14%

Source: Gallup poll
http://www.galluppoll.com/content/default.aspx?ci=26911

Why the lead for Rudy among conservatives? Terrorism is the key conservative issue these days and, on that, he measures up to right wing expectations just fine. Even though Giuliani disappoints many on the right with his social positions, his toughness in dealing with terrorists attracts broad admiration.

Rudy is also increasingly seen as the most likely Republican to defeat Hillary Clinton. All the matchups featured in news media showing him ahead in key states like Florida and Pennsylvania also bolster his standing on the right.

Giuliani’s strong showing among conservatives could, as mentioned above, be seriously challenged by Fred Thompson, based on his true-blue conservative credentials.

A whole lot of SoCons and Gun Conservatives will work for his defeat (not Hillary's victory, Rudy's defeat) in the General Election

Dude...your projecting. What your saying doesn't even make sense. That socons will campaign against Rudy but for no one in the general?

Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

Not one poll has shown that. Rudy's poll numbers have you unhinged.

come rushing to his rescue all for the virtue of his Authoritative leadership instead of Hillary, but it WILL NOT HAPPEN.

I think you mean Authoritarian.

"Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do" -- Rudy Giuliani

GREAT post, spot on and soooo true! : )