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Straw Poll Reinstates Ron Paul
Digg ^ | 3/28/2007 | danconia

Posted on 03/28/2007 12:59:01 PM PDT by The_Eaglet

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To: BlackElk
Paul is a libertoonian give a poop who wants the American military to be in the same posture that Traitor John Murtha wants them in: fleeing in terror never to fight again. It does not phase him when the WTC falls, when the Pentagon is attacked, etc. After all, Ron Paul is a paleopacifist and therefore believes that nothing is worth fighting for.

Liar. By your willingness to openly employ slanders which you know to be false, I'm guessing that you're not a Christian.

Well, to set the record straight against your UnChristian Lies: Ron Paul supported the 2001 Authorization for the Use of Military Force against those nations which harbored the 9/11 Hijackers.

21 posted on 03/28/2007 2:38:17 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: The_Eaglet

Voted for Ron Paul.


22 posted on 03/28/2007 2:38:48 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Constantine XIII; bkepley
"this week Ron Paul got 1%" Well WHOOOP-de-DOO. *rolls eyes*

Actually, in National Polling, Ron Paul is now well above 1% -- and rising:

In 2008, I'm voting for the REAGAN REPUBLICAN.
I'm voting for former Vietnam Combat Flight
Surgeon, and Leader of Ronald Reagan's
Electoral Delegation from Texas: In 2008,
I'm Voting for RON PAUL!
"The greatest champion of conservative principles we have seen in Congress in the past quarter century."
(David T. Pyne, Esq., Vice President of the National Federation of Republican Assemblies.)
23 posted on 03/28/2007 2:42:38 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: rob21
RON PAUL is the ONLY 100% Anti-Terrorist candidate.

Accfording to the 2002 State of the Union Address, the Federal Government MUST NOT provide Military and Financial Support to Governments which harbor terrorists.

I'm voting for the only Republican Candidate who wants to end Military and Financial support to the Al-Dawa Shi'ite Terrorist Thug-Regime of Iraq, self-confessed and even convicted murderers of US Marines and Civilians.

24 posted on 03/28/2007 2:46:27 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: truth_seeker
Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich vote the same way, most of the time.

No they don't. Matter of fact, you know full well that they don't.

You're no "truth-seeker". When the rubber meets the road, you enjoy Bearing False Witness.

25 posted on 03/28/2007 3:03:21 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Done.


26 posted on 03/28/2007 3:09:29 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: The_Eaglet; dAnconia
Digg ^ | 3/28/2007 | danconia

Your work, dAnconia?

27 posted on 03/28/2007 3:14:11 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Liar. By your willingness to openly employ slanders which you know to be false, I'm guessing that you're not a Christian.

I didn't know Ron Paul was a favorite of religious nuts. I'm not a Christian at all so I guess he doesn't want my vote.

28 posted on 03/28/2007 3:16:57 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: WhiteGuy

Exactly why a Republican website wouldn't have his name on the poll for so long. Of course they complained about 'cheating', stacking the deck, etc. because God forbid there be conservatives out there that actually want limited government and not intervening in the internal affairs of other nations. Good to see it's back


29 posted on 03/28/2007 3:17:33 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: bkepley
I didn't know Ron Paul was a favorite of religious nuts. I'm not a Christian at all so I guess he doesn't want my vote.

Ron Paul would be happy to have your vote, I'm sure.

I just don't like it when people tell lies about him, that's all.

30 posted on 03/28/2007 3:20:01 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: The_Eaglet

Done.


31 posted on 03/28/2007 3:22:57 PM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTOL=SLAVERY)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
I am deeply concerned that Rep. Paul would withdraw us from Iraq. Whether or not we should have gone into Iraq in the first place is irrelvent, we cannot afford to allow Iraq to collapse. It may be ruled by SCIRI, but SCIRI will not allow al Queda to take up residence like the Taliban did.

It all comes back to this - if the faltering Iraqi state is allowed to collapse, we will have another 9/11. To retreat to within our borders would make things more dangerous for us now.

The desperate straits in which we find ourselves in Iraq are the main reason why I am a Giuliani guy. Giuliani took a city that was about to collapse into bankruptcy and into criminal anarchy, and made NYC a pleasant place to be. That's the kind of leadership we need for Iraq.

Of course, you'll never agree with me on this, because you are a libertarian and I am a moderate. But that's okay... we're still friends....

32 posted on 03/28/2007 3:24:01 PM PDT by jude24
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

"Who's this Paul Ron guy some people keep talking about?"

His beliefs are summed up pretty well here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1779543/posts


33 posted on 03/28/2007 3:25:16 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: jude24
I am deeply concerned that Rep. Paul would withdraw us from Iraq. Whether or not we should have gone into Iraq in the first place is irrelvent, we cannot afford to allow Iraq to collapse. It may be ruled by SCIRI, but SCIRI will not allow al Queda to take up residence like the Taliban did. It all comes back to this - if the faltering Iraqi state is allowed to collapse, we will have another 9/11. To retreat to within our borders would make things more dangerous for us now.

The Wahhabist Sunnis of Al Queda HATE the Shi'ites and consider them to be "heretic polytheists" worthy of death. What makes you think that SCIRI and Al-Dawa will "allow al Queda to take up residence" in Iraq? Far more likely is that they will kill eachother with robust vigor.

And when I see Sunni Terrorists and Shi'ite Terrorists killing eachother, I don't see it as a cause for panic. More like a cause for beer and peanuts.

The desperate straits in which we find ourselves in Iraq are the main reason why I am a Giuliani guy. Giuliani took a city that was about to collapse into bankruptcy and into criminal anarchy, and made NYC a pleasant place to be. That's the kind of leadership we need for Iraq.

So send him to Iraq!

We certainly do NOT need more authoritarian Big Government here in the USA! Whatever may have worked in New York City, Giuliani's pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, anti-gun policies are not welcome here in Oklahoma, nor most of the other States.

Of course, you'll never agree with me on this, because you are a libertarian and I am a moderate. But that's okay... we're still friends....

That we are.

34 posted on 03/28/2007 3:32:55 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
And when I see Sunni Terrorists and Shi'ite Terrorists killing eachother, I don't see it as a cause for panic. More like a cause for beer and peanuts.

Unfortunately, Sunni terrorists are killing Shi'ite civilians, and Shi'ite terrorists are retaliating by killing Sunni civilians, so Sunni terrorists retaliate by....

Now, I partly agree with you. I'm tired of the Iraq war, if it were just about Iraqis killing each other in a civil war, I'd say "Enough already, it's time to go." But the stakes are far higher. The clash between Sunni and Shi'ite is quite similar to the clash between the Taliban and the Northern Alliance. If the Iraqi state collapses, Islamist fundamentalists will take up residence there. We do not need another 2001 Afghanistan.

The Wahhabist Sunnis of Al Queda

This insurgency is extremely complicated. There are Sunni Wahabis, but most of them are foreign al Queda zealots. Due to the brutality of al Zawquari, al Queda has little popular support in Iraq. The bulk of the Sunni insurgency are either disinfranchised Baathists who are nationalistically, not religiously, motivated, or are also indigenous Sunni Salafi Islamists (which are a fundamentalistic movement within Islam, distinct but similar to Wahabbism.).

I am deeply concerned that Rep. Paul would withdraw us from Iraq. Whether or not we should have gone into Iraq in the first place is irrelvent, we cannot afford to allow Iraq to collapse. It may be ruled by SCIRI, but SCIRI will not allow al Queda to take up residence like the Taliban did. It all comes back to this - if the faltering Iraqi state is allowed to collapse, we will have another 9/11. To retreat to within our borders would make things more dangerous for us now. The Wahhabist Sunnis of Al Queda HATE the Shi'ites and consider them to be "heretic polytheists" worthy of death. What makes you think that SCIRI and Al-Dawa will "allow al Queda to take up residence" in Iraq? Far more likely is that they will kill eachother with robust vigor. And when I see Sunni Terrorists and Shi'ite Terrorists killing eachother, I don't see it as a cause for panic. More like a cause for beer and peanuts. The desperate straits in which we find ourselves in Iraq are the main reason why I am a Giuliani guy. Giuliani took a city that was about to collapse into bankruptcy and into criminal anarchy, and made NYC a pleasant place to be. That's the kind of leadership we need for Iraq. So send him to Iraq! We certainly do NOT need more authoritarian Big Government here in the USA! Whatever may have worked in New York City, Giuliani's pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, anti-gun policies are not welcome here in Oklahoma, nor most of the other States.

Agree to disagree. My viewpoint is that the war trumps these other issues (and abortion is a non-issue, until the Supreme Court decides otherwise - which will never happen), so finding a "fixer" who can turn around the war is job #1. That is Giuliani.

35 posted on 03/28/2007 3:58:00 PM PDT by jude24
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To: jude24
If the Iraqi state collapses, Islamist fundamentalists will take up residence there.

They already have: SCIRI and Al Dawa.

I do not consider either SCIRI or Al Dawa to necessarily be less dangerous than Al Queda -- for example, the horrific US Marine bombing in Beirut and the US Embassy bombing in Kuwait were linked to Al Dawa, not Al Queda.

Ergo, I'm rooting for them to both lose -- and do not think that the Federal Government should provide Military and Financial support to either. There's no such thing as a "good" terrorist.

36 posted on 03/28/2007 4:06:11 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: The_Eaglet

Voted in the poll, but I think the votes I made with my wallet to Ron's campaign will be more effective...


37 posted on 03/28/2007 4:24:22 PM PDT by LambSlave (If you have to ask permission, it is not a right.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
I am a practicing Roman Catholic, and therefore a member of the original Christian Church, which never needed "reform." Congresscritter Paul is a deep disappointment with "constitutional" delusions of grandeur. His sole saving grace is being pro-life. Paul is a "paleo" and that means that he resists warfare as such and allies regularly with the leftist internal enemies of our country in the case of the current war to the benefit of Islamofascisti. He has joined with fellow pseudo-Republican "paleo" Walter "Sniffles" Jones and with two Demonrats: Dennis Cuckoocinich (Demonrat-Ohio) and Paul Abercrumble (Demonrat-Hawaii) in joint anti-American efforts in Congress. <> The basic posture of these stooges is that of the late Neville Chamberlain, i.e. nothing is worth warfare.

After decades of law practice, let me tell you that truth is a complete defense to any claim of defamation, that written defamation is libel and not slander and that truth is therefore neither libel nor slander.

I am also not in the business of giving "constitutionalist" or political cover to the Islamofascisti in time of war. I stand by and reiterate what I have said as to Paul and as to Jones because it is truth. You will not convince me otherwise.

You and I are in agreement on many matters from what I have seen of your posts despite our obvious disagreements over the reformation, over Jean Cauvin and now over Ron Paul.

Is Paul not a libertarian? If not, why was he their presidential candidate in 1988 (in effect assisting Dukakis in the two-party race for president)?

John Murtha is certainly a treasonous anti-American weasel in veteran's drag, plotting openly the defunding of the troops whom he dishonestly claims to support. Is he not?

Without funding (and not conditional time-limited, defeat-guaranteeing limitation-ridden, pork-infested funding, at that), there will be no other posture available but fleeing for yet anther generation of miltary personnel. True? I personally will NEVER forgive the now cowardly anti-American Demonrat Party of my ancestors (patriots not pacifist wimps) fore stabbing America and its troops in the back and condemning Vietnam to communist slavery by behaving as Paul and Jones behave today in concert with Demonrat anti-Americans. Any problem with that? Specifics, please!

What has Paul done for our troops lately other than try to cut the legs out from under them. Hillary voted for that resolution you menbtioned. So did Traitor John Kerry, Traitor John Murtha and most Demonrat leadership.

Personally, I suspect that, in spite of your opinions on this, and the differences between your faith and mie, that you are a Christian, a misguided Christian but a Christian. Whatever you may imagine, I know that I am a Christian.

If we are going to have a fight about theology, it will be your doing. I swore off such fights several years ago except in defense of myself and in response to specific attacks on Roman Catholicism. I normally leave Presbyterianism to you and other memebers of that faith and fire my guns at SSPX schismatics for claiming to be Catholic when they have been expelled from my Church. I would like to avoid unnecessary offense to my reformed brothers and sisters, concentrating on our broad areas of agreement on matters political rather than our limited differences. Obviously, you and I disagree on Ron Paul. Let's not pretend that our disagreement has anything whatsoever with your religion or mine.

In spite of it all, God bless you and yours!

38 posted on 03/28/2007 5:06:47 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: rob21

Who is Duncan Hunter?


39 posted on 03/28/2007 5:54:28 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding Shetlands.....)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Who's this Paul Ron guy some people keep talking about? I think it is Duncan Hunters next door neighbor.
40 posted on 03/28/2007 5:56:08 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding Shetlands.....)
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