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The Gathering Storm Against Giuliani (Known Pro-Life Activists vow to oppose him in the GENERAL)
CBN ^ | 3-28-07 | David Brody

Posted on 03/28/2007 8:14:18 AM PDT by TitansAFC

Here's a heads up for the Giuliani campaign. It's coming. It's coming very soon. Beware. Run for your lives! As I write this, there is plotting going among grassroots religious conservatives in New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina and many other states. They want to take down Rudy and they plan to do everything in their power to do it. I received this email from an influential Republican activist who, lets just say, has an extensive mailing list among the conservative grassroots network. Here's what he told me:

"If Rudy Giuliani is put up for President by the Stupid Party, I will work 40 hours a week as a volunteer to destroy his candidacy for President; that is how important the prolife position -- and other social issues-- is to many people of faith. Sure, the Evil Party might get control of the White House again, and the Stupid Party might therefore go the way of the Whig Party in the early 1800's, but so be it. The Republican Party must NEVER nominate a pro-abortion candidate. That would be far worse than the Republican Party putting up a pro-slavery candidate in the mid-1800's. That is how strong many of us feel David. Many of us will also be putting in 40 hours a week during the primary/caucus season to defeat Giuliani at all costs."

Tough words. Don't think for a second that these activists aren't serious. They are. They know Rudy is getting some traction from social conservatives and they are not going to take for granted that Giuliani will fade once his views are known. As these activists galvanize, they could star in a movie.


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To: TitansAFC
I'd much rather lose than have Rudy win.

Don't worry. We won't lose and Rudy won't win.

The tide is slowly turning.

121 posted on 03/29/2007 3:37:04 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Combat Tested Vietnam Veteran! DUNCAN HUNTER !!)
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Rudy puts Cal. in play - he'd do well- and I think he beats Hillary here in early polls. So she'd have to spend a massive amount of money here, reducing the amout she could spend in other states.

Something the democrats have not had to do since 1992.

122 posted on 03/29/2007 3:38:22 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: TitansAFC
"I'd much rather lose than have Rudy win. I know that I am not alone."

Republicans are being asked to "take one for the team" and get beaned by Nolan Ryan. No thanks.

123 posted on 03/29/2007 3:41:34 PM PDT by OpenBar
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To: Rastus
So, why the hate for a good guy?

Calling a candidate a cake product is not hate.

Most of the hate here is reserved for Rudy.

And I've never seen anyone who prefers Rudy now, say they will sit out the election or vote third party , if Hunter is nominated. They - Rudy backers - have concluded that in a national election, Rudy has the best chance of beating the democrat.

But make no mistake, Rudy backers will vote for whomever Republican nominee happens to be.

Sorry for the dangling participle.

124 posted on 03/29/2007 3:50:33 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Phlap
The Forbes endorsement ends the discussion. Rudy is in.

Well, that saves us from all those troublesome debates, primaries and the ever annoying voting!

Lucky you were here to save us! ;^)

125 posted on 03/29/2007 3:53:49 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Combat Tested Vietnam Veteran! DUNCAN HUNTER !!)
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To: TitansAFC
Amazing that so many DEMOCRATS and REPUBLICANS want to TRICK voters into voting for "something".. i.e. vote for this because of that..

That is, Vote for BUSH because Hitlery is "more" EVIL..
I have a feeling that George Bush Jr.. has CURED many republicans of that ERROR..
Probably it was the obscene activities by Bush on immigration that cured us..
You would have thought the Sandy Berger affair would have done it but no its was immigration.. The border agent thing was just the kicker..

Less and less republicans are being bewitched daily.. because surely republicans are bewitched(brain washed).. 2008 will be an unusal election.. different than any other election..

126 posted on 03/29/2007 3:55:54 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: calex59; Buck W.
"...if you are for Rudy you are not a conservative."

Not so, 'calex59'

If you are for Rudy you are not endorsing a conservative!

You've got to factor in well meaning fools.

127 posted on 03/29/2007 3:57:40 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Combat Tested Vietnam Veteran! DUNCAN HUNTER !!)
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To: hosepipe
Probably it was the obscene activities by Bush on immigration that cured us..

And let me remind everyone who thinks Rudy will be tough on terrorists, he supports the weak open borders, amnesty plan that President Bush is pushing.

128 posted on 03/29/2007 4:00:32 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Combat Tested Vietnam Veteran! DUNCAN HUNTER !!)
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To: Rastus

"Most Giuliani supporters on this site are taking great pains to tear down Hunter and Gingrich."

Aside from the occasional aspersion, I haven't seen it. There has been nothing like the visceral hatred that's heaped on Giuliani in every post.

BTW--I disagree that I number among "few". I feel confident that most Rudy supporters would back the eventual R candidate, whoever it is.


129 posted on 03/29/2007 5:36:53 PM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: airborne; Rastus

rastus: As a follow up to my recent post to you, see the slam in the airborne post. Amusing, but a slam nonetheless.


130 posted on 03/29/2007 5:40:52 PM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: writeblock
What more should Republican conservatives want?

Certainly not this:

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue
Giuliani Clinton Dem Platform GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion Supports
Opposed
NY ban
Supports Supports Opposes
Roe v. Wade Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment Opposes Opposes Opposes
Defined at
state level
Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/
Civil Unions
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Openly Gay Military Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship
for Illegal Aliens
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Tough Penalties for
Employers of Illegal Aliens
Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Sanctuary Cities/
Ignoring Immigration Law
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment Opposes
Opposes Opposes
Supports bans
Supports
Confiscating Guns Supports
Confiscated
as mayor.
Even bragged.
Supports Supports
Supports bans
Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban Supports Supports Supports  
Frivolous Lawsuits
Against Gun Makers
Supports
Filed One
Himself
Supports   Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses Supports Supports   Opposes
War in Afghanistan Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports Supports
War in Iraq Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports
Weak support
Supports
Patriot Act Supports Supports
Voted for it
2001 & 2006
Opposes Supports
"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani
131 posted on 03/29/2007 7:10:23 PM PDT by Barnacle (Free Republic, The First Amendment in action in defense of the others.)
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To: Zeroisanumber
If it's either Rudy or Hillary, you know which way you'll vote, and we do too, which is why the RNC isn't too worried about party unity issues.

By the time the Republican primary is done, people will say "Rudy who?"

132 posted on 03/29/2007 7:13:41 PM PDT by Barnacle (Free Republic, The First Amendment in action in defense of the others.)
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To: airborne
No problemo bro. Glad to be of service. lol
133 posted on 03/30/2007 3:41:00 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Barnacle

Your litany on Rudy's liberalism doesn't worry me in the least. On abortion, for instance, while he privately is pro-choice, he has publicly promised he would appoint strict constructionists. This would effectively cancel out the effects of any personal liberal position. I personally don't give a rat's behind about what his private view is--as long as he acts publicly in a way that supports the Constitution. Right now abortion is legal. The way around this is through the courts and through the courts only--as Rudy appreciates. That's good enough for me.

His position on gay rights and on gun control is to keep the federal government out of these issues and leave them to the local governments. Again, fine by me. On immigration, his view is the same as Bush's--he's for a guest worker program. Nothing especially alarming about that--many good conservatives hold this view--and it's certainly not an unusual position for the former mayor of a city which depends on immigrant workers to keep its hotels and restaurants running and its tourist industry thriving.

Here are some of Rudy's conservative credentials, based on Al Simmons' excellent run-down which appeared on another post. I've summarized it here.

Rudy has stated, for instance, that "government exists above all to keep people safe in their homes and in the streets, not to redistribute income, run a welfare state, or perform social engineering". That is quintissentially the conservative position.

So too is support for law and order. Crime in NYC plummeted to around 64% as a result of Rudy's administration, the murder rate alone declining 67%. Rudy shut down porn shops throughout the downtown tourist areas and kicked them out of residential neighborhoods. He went after drug dealers as well--something unheard of in NYC.

He also went after the welfare cheats, removing illegal recipients, cutting the outlay for welfare by 20%. Over 600,000 recipients were dropped from the roles. At the same time he began a work requirement program for remaining recipients.

He ended the set-aside program for minority contractors, refused to meet with Al Sharpton, and otherwise refused to be cowed by racial politics. He refused to lower job requirements for minorities and women. He pushed to reform the city's schools and supported school vouchers--another view that went against the liberal grain. Ditto his fight against using public money for anti-religious art displays. And on and on it goes.

He saved hundreds of millions of dollars by reorganizing the police force and transit authority and trash collection agencies. He cut taxes and levies over and over, saving billions for taxpayers. He cut NYC's top income-tax rate by 20.6%. Local city taxes on a family of four dropped 23.7%. He cut the commercial-rent tax. He cut sales taxes, including taxes on clothing. He cut the marriage penalty taz. He cut taxes on commercial rents and on small businesses and self-employed New Yorkers. He privatized municipal assets, selling city-owned radio and television stations and divested the City from the New York Coliseum adding $345 million to erase the City's red ink. He cut NYC's hotel tax from 6% to 5%. Tourism increased 50% in the city per year during Rudy's tenure. Personal income increased 50%. Unemployment in the city went form 10.3% to 5.1%.

In all of this he was fought by the liberal media, beginning with the NYTimes, every step of the way. But he fought back and won over public opinion time and time again. Nor was he just successful as mayor. As a U.S. Attorney in the Reagan administration, Rudy amassed more than 4,000 convictions, including the five family heads of NY's notorious Mob. He went after Wall Street white collar criminals. He also prosecuted terrorists and illegal immigrants.

What other candidate has such a resume?


134 posted on 03/30/2007 4:01:35 AM PDT by writeblock
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To: TitansAFC

I told you so!!


135 posted on 03/30/2007 4:03:05 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: writeblock

No, we're not electing a pope or a preacher. But, his personal views and beliefs are not in a vacuum either. Let's see, abortion, gun control, homosexual marriage. I believe that a person's views on these issues would and will shape how that person governs. Character does matter!


136 posted on 03/30/2007 5:51:31 AM PDT by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6a)
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To: TitansAFC

I second that motion ;-)


137 posted on 03/30/2007 5:53:15 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: writeblock

I think the latest FReeper Poll puts to rest the issue of Rudy....Thompson was a clear winner....now its up to us FReepers to educate the rest of the republican party

See...thats how Rudy could become a non-issue.

;-)


138 posted on 03/30/2007 5:57:23 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: writeblock

I don't wear hats. You're talking through your support for Rudy...and are too blinded by that support to see anything negative.

Polls shmolls....here I thought only liberal Democrats lived by polls. Care to see some polls where Howie was running rough-shod over Johnny 3 years ago at a factor of 3 or 4 or 5 to 1?


139 posted on 03/30/2007 6:14:48 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years......WOLFHOUNDS!!!!)
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To: Halgr

"I think the latest FReeper Poll puts to rest the issue of Rudy....Thompson was a clear winner....now its up to us FReepers to educate the rest of the republican party"

Don't flatter yourself that you are educating anybody. He's a well-known quantity to most Republicans who understand politics. If anything, it's those who care little about politics per se who are ignorant of his true positions--which are in every case not as extreme as depicted on these threads.


140 posted on 03/30/2007 6:57:02 AM PDT by writeblock
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