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MOD briefing proves Royal Navy personnel were in Iraqi waters
Ministry of Defence ^

Posted on 03/28/2007 3:42:33 AM PDT by maquiladora

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To: RobFromGa
It is up to the USA to make sure that doesn't happen. No one else has the guts.

I'm afraid the USA doesn't have the guts either. Perhaps you missed the Senate surrender vote yesterday? This is only the first of a series of hostage taking and other terrorist events that we will see over the next few months and years. Losing wars has consequences as we saw in the post-Vietnam era. Yes, Bush will veto cut and run but the Congressional vote of "we give up" has not gone unnoticed nor has the proposed vote that would limit Bush's ability to take any substantive action against Iran. The Democrats have indeed shown us to be paper tigers.

21 posted on 03/28/2007 4:03:04 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: rhombus
What say you Amnesty International?


22 posted on 03/28/2007 4:03:13 AM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Combat Tested Vietnam Veteran! DUNCAN HUNTER !!)
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To: MadIvan

Comments on what the thoughts are from a trusted source (surely you don'r expect me to trust the lame stream media, do you)?


23 posted on 03/28/2007 4:03:19 AM PDT by Issaquahking (Duncan Hunter for president!)
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To: kopite
"You are wong, and I'm correcting you. Right now I am listening to a British phone in radio station where this is the top subject. Most Brits on the show are angry and want something done."

But are they willing to invade, occupy and denazify Iran? Or are they circulating fantasies about diplomacy and/or sending special operations teams on a miracle mission? Granted, we're also too often hearing and seeing such fantasies in the USA (for example, the wild wish that all would be solved, if Ahmadinejad were gone).
24 posted on 03/28/2007 4:03:39 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons (has-been))
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To: maquiladora

No problem.
Probably too much traffic/hits on the other link.


25 posted on 03/28/2007 4:04:17 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: livius
But I am puzzled that it doesn't seem (from here, at any rate), that the British public is particularly upset about this. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It is hard to judge the British public through the mainstream media over there. Just as it is hard to judge the American public here through the mainstream media. The boob tube is after all, just for boobs. Now that there is proof that these people were kidnapped at gunpoint, perhaps the underlying sentiment will bubble up through the London fog.

It is ironic however that if an armed gang had kidnapped a group of policeman on British soil, the public would have been in an uproar by now, no doubt.

26 posted on 03/28/2007 4:05:11 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: peyton randolph

"1. The Iranians know.
2. The Iranians don't care. "


BINGO...You're a winner!!!!


27 posted on 03/28/2007 4:05:36 AM PDT by never4get
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To: maquiladora
Why should Britian be involved in a quarrel in a far-away country between people of whom we know nothing?
28 posted on 03/28/2007 4:06:07 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (When I search out the massed wheeling circles of the stars, my feet no longer touch the earth)
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To: livius
"Blair has been proceeding in such an apparently sluggish way "

Yes, apparently stamping your foot and threatening to hold your breath till you turn blue is not having the desired effect. He may have to tell them he is really, really, really, really angry. /sarc off

29 posted on 03/28/2007 4:07:36 AM PDT by anoldafvet (Calculating the average global temp. is like the average telephone number; both are meaningless)
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To: maquiladora

Did I call this or what?
Now it is time for our Brit Brothers and sisters to ACT! THIS IS WAR, PEOPLE.....
(As the saunter-by Media is obsessing with Dancing with the Stars....)


30 posted on 03/28/2007 4:07:45 AM PDT by Shady
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To: kopite

OK, thatnks, that's good to know. There has been very little reporting on this in the US and very little reporting of the British reaction. It seemed that the press and people were more concerned with the murdered cricket coach.

Maybe it just took a few days to sink in. I hope that this will give Blair the support he needs to do whatever has to be done.


31 posted on 03/28/2007 4:08:29 AM PDT by livius
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To: EGPWS

Great point. I remember hearing at the beginning of this that British soldiers had been patrolling those waters trying to prevent the Iranians from smuggling cars in that area. I don't know if that was a preliminary report and I haven't heard anything further on that.

Now that we have the Brits showing their proof that their soldiers were NOT in Iranian waters, things are going to get interesting.


32 posted on 03/28/2007 4:08:29 AM PDT by FarRightFanatic ("I'm Barack Hussein Obama...and I approved this taqiyya.")
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To: All
Tony Blair answering questions on this live in Parliment now - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/bbc_parliament/default.stm#
33 posted on 03/28/2007 4:08:57 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: mainepatsfan
Why on earth is our mainstream media doubting everything the allied governments state, while believing everything the axis of evil governments state ?
34 posted on 03/28/2007 4:10:19 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: maquiladora

The Garmin GPSr is intersting to me. It is the same unit I use for Geocaching and traveling. I purchased mine at a Target Store. I always suspected the pros would use different/better equipment.

The large part of the display with the dark and light colored circles is showing how many satellites the unit is receiving signals from. The bars at the bottom are indicating signal strength. The unit is getting good strong signals from 6 satellites. At the top of the display, the unit is saying it is has accuracy within 46 feet. In my experience, with 6 satellites visible, I'd say the waypoint displayed below is within inches.

For those interested, you can take the waypoint and plug it into Google or Google Earth and see exactly where they are for yourself.


35 posted on 03/28/2007 4:11:51 AM PDT by IamConservative (Any man who agrees with you on everything, will lie to anyone.)
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Blair (live from Parliment) :

* Rules of Engagement are right.
* Miltary engagement would have been wrong.
* Would have been severe loss of life if they fought back, Iranian patrol boats were heavily armed.
* The choice of fighting back is best left to those back on ground.

36 posted on 03/28/2007 4:12:44 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: justa-hairyape; familyop

I guess most people in any Western country would simply rather not be bothered and just go back to their game shows. But perhaps now that there is clear evidence that the Iranians just sailed in and grabbed these sailors at gunpoint in international waters, the issue will become clearer.

I'm sure the Brits have their Rosie O'Donnells, too, who start off with the assumption that it's all Britain's fault and the eeeevil West must have provoked those sweet lil'Iranians for some nasty purpose of its own.


37 posted on 03/28/2007 4:15:15 AM PDT by livius
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To: maquiladora

Thanks for the info. Bump.


38 posted on 03/28/2007 4:17:22 AM PDT by livius
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To: Shady

I'm not sure today's media would consider even the attack on Pearl Harbor to be an act of war.


39 posted on 03/28/2007 4:18:15 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: peyton randolph
The Brits simply understand that Iranians are the number one Terrorist nation, and taking hostages is what they do.


This is par for the course.


The Iranians have instigated violence in Iraq, causing the deaths of 100,000 people or more.

The next boat that they try to grab should be a trap, loaded with explosives that we can detonate from a remote position, after they drag it ashore and their big wigs are inspecting it.
40 posted on 03/28/2007 4:19:31 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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