Posted on 03/26/2007 10:57:08 AM PDT by Kurt_Hectic
The bones of one of the women found in one of Norway's most famous Viking graves suggest her ancestors came from the area around the Black Sea.
The woman herself was "Norwegian," claims Professor Per Holck at the University of Oslo, who has conducted analyses of DNA material taken from her bones.
But Holck says that while she came from the area that today is Norway, her forefathers may have lived in the Black Sea region.
Holck, attached to the anthropological division of the university's anatomy institute (Anatomisk institutt), isn't willing to reveal more details pending publication of an article in the British magazine "European Archaeology" later this year.
He told newspaper Aftenposten, though, that he's recommending the woman's bones be retrieved for further study. They were first found in 1904, when the Oseberg Viking ship was excavated, and analysed by the university.
The analysis data was withheld, however, and the woman's remains were returned to the Oseberg burial mound in 1947. Holck has only worked with the DNA extracted at the time, and he thinks they should be reexamined.
He worries, however, that her bones may have been damaged during the past 60 years. If the remains are intact, he said, it would probably be possible to take more DNA tests that could reveal more about the woman and another female's bones also extracted from the Oseberg site.
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Russia is named for a Scandavian group called the Rus, as I recall. And Vikings from Russia [and Scandanavia, went down the Dnieper to serve in the Varangian Guard - including Harold Hardrada, killed England in 1066.
Speaking as an Australian: Hee!
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Probably a group from the same Ice Age refuge (Franco-Iberia) as the R1b.
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Think your reply was meant for me. Thanks a ton; you're the goods!
Can you imagine riding that ship out in the treacherous waters of the North Atlantic? I mean right underneath the Arctic Circle? That took some titanium balls.
You're correct and you're welcome.
I have an excellent suggestion to go with your DNA results...it is a book by Professon Stephen Oppenheimer: Origins Of The British
"Stephen Oppenheimer shows us, in his meticulous analysis, that there is in truth a deep genetic line dividing the English from the rest of the British people but that, fascinatingly, the roots of that separate identity go back not 1500 years but 6,000.The real story of the British peoples is one of extraordinary continuity and enduring lineage that has survived all onslaughts."
Still haven't sent off mine and my brothers DNA yet. Soon I hope.
GoLightly: (I was kinda waiting for SunkenCiv's likely related links, cuz he always seems to be able to pull up good stuff from his archives that help to round out info in newer articles.)Hey, thanks! I quick looked up something for the previous post, then noticed about three or four others had already mentioned it, so, I've got nothin'. Checking the hard drive... nope, all I have that's relevant is this:
According to the tale, in order to avoid a cavalry charge during their retreat from Sicily, the Saracens covered the ground with broken pottery. Harald had his riders pull down palm fronds and wrap the hooves and lower legs of their horses, then led the charge. At the very end of his life, at the parley preceding the Battle of Stamford Bridge, the English King Harold II offered Hardraada "six feet of English soil, or however much taller he stands than other men". He turned down the offer, but got it anyway. ;') He was the quintessential Viking, probably because he had a great biographer. (':The Story of Harald HardradaHe stopped running when he reached Constantinople, and enlisted into the Varangian bodyguard of the Byzantine Emperor, Michael IV. Once again, his ability to turn opponents into wobbly piles of offal was noted with approval by his employer, and he fought with notable heroics in Sicily and Bulgaria. With meteoric speed he was promoted to leader of the Imperial Bodyguard, though once again his dangly bits had a significant part to play.
by "Kafka2"
Aug 31, 2003 11:09 PM
ah, here's what I was loki-ing for:
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/Heruler&article_id=6196418
(2) An eye-witness account by the Arab Ibn Fadlan during the years AD 921-922. Ibn Fadlan served as secretary of an embassy from the Caliphate of Baghdad to the Bulgars of the middle Volga. The eastern branch of the Vikings called the Rus (whose kingdom later gave the name Russia) had set up a camp and trading post in what would become the town of Bulgar, frequented by Arab traders. Ibn Fadlan's whole account of his journey has been translated into German and French, but never into English. Fortunately, the section on the ship-burial of a Viking king has been translated by a scholar H.M. Smyser in a paper comparing the ship-burial ritual with that in Beowulf, "Ibn Fadlan's Account of the Rus with Some Commentary and Some Allusions to Beowulf". This translated section has been included in Gwyn Jones' A History of the Vikings (Ref. 3), making it more accessible to the general public. This is a lengthy account, including the gruesome slaying of a slave girl to accompany the king to the netherworld. Here I quote only the part on ship-burning:
"Then the people came up with tinder and other firewood, each holding a piece of wood of which he had set fire to an end and which he put into the pile of wood beneath the ship. Thereupon the flames engulfed the wood, then the ship, the pavilion, the man, the girl, and everything in the ship. A powerful, fearful wind began to blow so that the flames became fiercer and more intense
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All over the place.
http://www.familytreedna.com/forum/archive/index.php?t-2194.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~lilinah/Textiles/roger.html
http://www.bestofsicily.com/mag/art124.htm
http://www.bestofsicily.com/history2.htm
http://www.thepeerage.com/p11410.htm
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