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Despite controversy, Disney could unlock 'Song of the South'
lomporecord.com ^ | 03/25/07 | TRAVIS REED

Posted on 03/25/2007 7:43:17 AM PDT by Ellesu

ORLANDO, Fla. - Walt Disney Co.'s 1946 film "Song of the South" was historic. It was Disney's first big live-action picture and produced one of the company's most famous songs _ the Oscar-winning "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah." It also carries the story line of the Splash Mountain rides at its theme parks.

But the movie remains hidden in the Disney archives _ never released on video in the United States and criticized as racist for its depiction of Southern plantation blacks. The film's 60th anniversary passed last year without a whisper of official rerelease, which is unusual for Disney, but President and CEO Bob Iger recently said the company was reconsidering.

The film's reissue would surely spark debate, but it could also sell big. Nearly 115,000 people have signed an online petition urging Disney to make the movie available, and out-of-print international copies routinely sell online for $50-$90, some even more than $100.

Iger was answering a shareholder's inquiry about the movie for the second year in a row at Disney's annual meeting in New Orleans. This month the Disney chief made a rerelease sound more possible.

"The question of 'Song of the South' comes up periodically, in fact it was raised at last year's annual meeting ..." Iger said. "And since that time, we've decided to take a look at it again because we've had numerous requests about bringing it out. Our concern was that a film that was made so many decades ago being brought out today perhaps could be either misinterpreted or that it would be somewhat challenging in terms of providing the appropriate context."

"Song of the South" was re-shown in theaters in 1956, 1972 and 1986. Both animated and live-action, it tells the story of a young white boy, Johnny, who goes to live on his grandparents' Georgia plantation when his parents split up. Johnny is charmed by Uncle Remus _ a popular black servant _ and his fables of Brer Rabbit, Brer Bear and Brer Fox, which are actual black folk tales.

Remus' stories include the famous "tar baby," a phrase Republican presidential hopefuls John McCain and Mitt Romney were recently criticized for using to describe difficult situations. In "Song of the South," it was a trick Brer Fox and Brer Bear used to catch the rabbit _ dressing a lump of hot tar as a person to ensnare their prey. To some, it is now a derogatory term for blacks, regardless of context.

The movie doesn't reveal whether it takes place before or after the Civil War, and never refers to blacks on the plantation as slaves. It makes clear they work for the family, living down dirt roads in wood shacks while the white characters stay in a mansion. Remus and other black characters' dialogue is full of "ain't nevers," "ain't nobodys," "you tells," and "dem days's."

"In today's environment, 'Song of the South' probably doesn't have a lot of meaning, especially to the younger audiences," said James Pappas, associate professor of African-American Studies at the University of New York at Buffalo. "Older audiences probably would have more of a connection with the stereotypes, which were considered harmless at the time."

Pappas said it's not clear that the movie is intentionally racist, but it inappropriately projects Remus as a happy, laughing storyteller even though he's a plantation worker.

"Gone with the Wind," produced seven years earlier, endured the same criticism and even shares a common actress (Hattie McDaniel, who won an Oscar for "Gone" for playing the house slave "Mammy").

However, Pappas said he thinks the movie should be rereleased because of its historical significance. He said it should be prefaced, and closed, with present-day statements.

"I think it's important that these images are shown today so that especially young people can understand this historical context for some of the blatant stereotyping that's done today," Pappas said.

From a financial standpoint, Iger acknowledged last year that Disney stood to gain from rereleasing "Song." The company's movies are popular with collectors, and Disney has kept sales strong by tightly controlling when they're available.

Christian Willis, a 26-year-old IT administrator in San Juan Capistrano, Calif., started a "Song" fan site in 1999 to showcase memorabilia. He soon expanded it into a clearinghouse for information on the movie that now averages more than 800 hits a day and manages the online petition.

Willis said he doesn't think the movie is racist, just from a different time.

"Stereotypes did exist on the screen," he said. "But if you look at other films of that time period, I think 'Song of the South' was really quite tame in that regard. I think Disney did make an effort to show African Americans in a more positive light."

Though Willis is hopeful, there's still no telling when _ or if _ the movie could come out (beyond its copyright lapsing decades from now).

For this story, Buena Vista Home Entertainment, Disney's distribution arm, issued a statement: "Song of the South is one of a handful of titles that has not seen a home distribution window. To this point, we have not discounted nor committed to any distribution window concerning this title."

On the Net:

"Song of the South" fan page: http://www.songofthesouth.net

A service of the Associated Press(AP)

"In today's environment, 'Song of the South' probably doesn't have a lot of meaning, especially to the younger audiences," said James Pappas, associate professor of African-American Studies at the University of New York at Buffalo. "Older audiences probably would have more of a connection with the stereotypes, which were considered harmless at the time."


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To: Jeffrey_D.

know this is a pipe dream but...I wish the whole world would "Just get the hell over it" And I mean everything !!!

Sheeesh!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Oh, what a wonderful world it would be if people would just do that.


201 posted on 03/26/2007 7:58:14 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: Ellesu
I think Disney did make an effort to show African Americans in a more positive light."

I saw it as a kid, and never had a negative thought about race. It was about animals and people who talked "southern" as I recall. I thought it would be great to have an "Uncle Remus" who could tell great stories like that. And if you think about it, it was the generation who grew up watching that film who also said no to Jim Crow.

Release it. I also want the WWII Warner Brothers Loony Toons released. Even the ones with Bugs shooting at the 'Dirty Japs" or "The Gremlins from the Kremlin" Those were great cartoons.

This stuff is history. Stop trying to hide it.

202 posted on 03/26/2007 8:10:04 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: 6SJ7
Only one thing can appea$e Je$$e Jack$on.

Or $harpton.

203 posted on 03/26/2007 8:11:46 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: raccoonradio
In the original Sambo tales, I believe he was an Indian boy (Indian as in the Asian subcontinent, not American indians). He was frequently portrayed as dark skinned...

That was what I always thought too, It was one of my favorite books when I was a kid, and even then, I knew Tigers were in India, not Africa.

What I got out of it was that Sambo was a really smart kid who made the tigers chase them until they turned into butter --- and then he put them on his pancakes --- and I LOVED pancakes.

I never understood the racism part but back then (at lest where I lived) we did not call Negroes, Black. That would have been an insult. Colored or Negro were fine. But to call them black would have likely started a fight.

204 posted on 03/26/2007 8:36:21 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: NobleEagle2004

thanks!


205 posted on 03/26/2007 8:47:33 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: catfish1957; afnamvet; StoneWall Brigade; L98Fiero; RFEngineer; DarthDilbert; ...

Dixie Ping - thanks groanup!


206 posted on 03/26/2007 9:15:01 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Thommas
I remember seeing the SOTS in a drive-in, circa 1950's. It was fabulous.

I saw it back then, too. I thought it was mostly boring. No derring-do, no charging machine gun nests, no Japanese dive bombers. No metal porn. No Comanches. Yawn.

But then, I was about eight, too.

207 posted on 03/27/2007 3:55:24 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: CholeraJoe
It was the cartoon issued during WWII where Bugs mocks the Japanese, who are portrayed as buck-toothed, nearsighted morons.

You mean the way liberals portray poor white hillbillies?

208 posted on 03/27/2007 7:06:04 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hinneh, 'Anokhi sholeach lakhem 'et 'Eliyyah HaNavi'; lifnei bo' Yom HaShem HaGadol veHaNora'.)
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To: LexBaird
Oh yeah? So how come he ain't got no town named "Mowgliana"?

Because Kipling didn't retire to a ranch in California?

209 posted on 03/27/2007 7:12:15 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hinneh, 'Anokhi sholeach lakhem 'et 'Eliyyah HaNavi'; lifnei bo' Yom HaShem HaGadol veHaNora'.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Mowgli didn't fight the Ant Men or go to the center of the Earth, either.

Seriously though, Kipling's Mowgli is superior in a literary sense, but Tarzan is King of the Jungle when it comes to the Pulps. Plenty of period racism in Tarzan as well: Gomangani vs the Tarmangani.


210 posted on 03/27/2007 7:29:41 AM PDT by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: stainlessbanner
dixie PONG!!!

free dixie,sw

211 posted on 03/27/2007 7:34:03 AM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: lentulusgracchus

LOL.


212 posted on 03/27/2007 7:54:34 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: LexBaird

I still have a copy of Tarzan and the Monkey Men which was written during WWII and concerns the Japanese.


213 posted on 03/27/2007 10:53:09 AM PDT by doodad
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To: doodad

"Tarzan and the Foreign Legion" is set during WWII, and has Tarzan crash landing on Sumatra and fighting the Japanese with orangutangs.


214 posted on 03/27/2007 11:07:32 AM PDT by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: P-40
Here are some more that you'll probably never see. "Hittin' the Trail to Hallelujah Land" (1931) "Sunday Go to Meetin' Time" (1936) "Clean Pastures" (1937) "Uncle Tom's Bungalow" (1937) "Jungle Jitters" (1938) "The Isle Of Pingo Pongo" (1938) "All This and Rabbit Stew" (1941) "Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarfs" (1943) "Tin Pan Alley Cats" (1943) "Angel Puss" (1944) "Goldilocks and the Jivin' Bears" (1944)

I have that DVD!

215 posted on 03/27/2007 11:17:16 AM PDT by eyedigress
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To: LexBaird

That is the same story, but I distinctly remember being disappointed that they were Japanese and not monkey men. I need to dig that back out; maybe my memory is just not kicking in right.


216 posted on 03/27/2007 11:25:53 AM PDT by doodad
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To: Ellesu
People who are aware of our history shouldn't be offended by this - it was made in a different era, when we still had segregation in the armed forces for pete's sake. But, the crowd that doesn't know the meaning and origin of "niggardly" would be all over it.
217 posted on 03/27/2007 11:33:13 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: raccoonradio
A bunch of cartoons from other studios have been shelved for similar reasons, like Warner Bros. Merrie melodie's "Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarves". Some Tom and Jerry cartoons (Hanna and Barbera, when they worked for MGM) would show a (stereotypical) black maid, etc. I've seen some Looney Tunes where Bugs Bunny outwitted a black character who was seen as dimwitted or addicted to gambling. (I think one of the characters in "Coal Black" had dice for teeth)

Some of the old Popeye cartoons also had some of this. There are several where he goes into a jungle and you can hardly tell the natives apart from the monkeys. There were also WWII era Popeye's where the "japs" were always portrayed has having huge buck teeth and big glasses and always saying, "So Solly".

I saw all those cartoons as a kid and they had no big ompact on me - they were just cartoons.

I used to love the old Little Lulu cartoons - but those aren't shown any more because Lulu had a black maid. There are new versions of Little Lulu - but they've changed the original lyrics from the Little Lulu song. Most baby boomers will remember:

"Little Lulu, Little Lulu
With freckles on her chin
Always in and out of trouble
But mostly always in,
Using Daddy's necktie for the tail of her kite,
Using Mommy's lipstick for the letters she writes
Though the clock says seven-thirty,
It's really after ten
Looks like Lulu's been repairing it again,
Though you're wilder than any Zulu
And you're just as hard to tame,
Little Lulu I love you you just the same, the same
Little Lulu I love you you just the same."

I'll let you guess which line has been changed in the new version.

218 posted on 03/27/2007 11:52:32 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: raccoonradio
A bunch of cartoons from other studios have been shelved for similar reasons, like Warner Bros. Merrie melodie's "Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarves". Some Tom and Jerry cartoons (Hanna and Barbera, when they worked for MGM) would show a (stereotypical) black maid, etc. I've seen some Looney Tunes where Bugs Bunny outwitted a black character who was seen as dimwitted or addicted to gambling. (I think one of the characters in "Coal Black" had dice for teeth)

Some of the old Popeye cartoons also had some of this. There are several where he goes into a jungle and you can hardly tell the natives apart from the monkeys. There were also WWII era Popeye's where the "japs" were always portrayed has having huge buck teeth and big glasses and always saying, "So Solly".

I saw all those cartoons as a kid and they had no big ompact on me - they were just cartoons.

I used to love the old Little Lulu cartoons - but those aren't shown any more because Lulu had a black maid. There are new versions of Little Lulu - but they've changed the original lyrics from the Little Lulu song. Most baby boomers will remember:

"Little Lulu, Little Lulu
With freckles on her chin
Always in and out of trouble
But mostly always in,
Using Daddy's necktie for the tail of her kite,
Using Mommy's lipstick for the letters she writes
Though the clock says seven-thirty,
It's really after ten
Looks like Lulu's been repairing it again,
Though you're wilder than any Zulu
And you're just as hard to tame,
Little Lulu I love you you just the same, the same
Little Lulu I love you you just the same."

I'll let you guess which line has been changed in the new version.

219 posted on 03/27/2007 11:56:24 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Ellesu
Quite easy to obtain, actually.
220 posted on 03/27/2007 12:00:42 PM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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