Posted on 03/24/2007 5:51:38 AM PDT by moneyrunner
And the orbit and tilt of the Earth over time hasn't been the same, either.
Maybe you need to experience life a lot longer, then you will see these cyclic effects for yourself.
I've obviously lived a lot longer than you have, and have experienced a few of these cycles.
It could be that younger people tend to believe this global warming hype much more readily than older people on average because they just haven't lived through a cycle, so they see weather change, storms, hurricanes, flooding/drought etc. as unusual anomalies caused by "global warming". They tend to think weather should be the same all the time, never changing except for occasional rains, and seasonal changes.
Plus, most people live in cities these days, born and raised their whole life, they don't come from rural farm communities like they used to generations ago, because for the most part, these farm communities have all but dissapeared because of modern corperate farming parctices.
They just don't have any experience with nature at all, they aren't tuned to the weather, soil moisture levels, all the stuff farm famillies deal with daily, seasonally and over decades when dealing with crop conditions, rotations etc.
Many "scientists" don't either, especially those that sit indoors working with computer models, plugging in data. Data that is sometimes suspect and controversial.
Go back to Post #24 and download "The Great Global Warming Swindle," a must-see video for conservatives. You think you have all the facts needed to argue with your eco-freak friends until you see this brilliant production by, of all people, the BBC.
This is my first post on FreeRepublic; Forgive me if I don't do it correctly.
What kind of idiot can't see this correlation? Why is this scientist's view called 'controversial'.
Welcome to FR. The correlation is hard to quantify so far. The warming on Mars has only been measured for 3-4 years. We have much better and longer measurements for earth. So it is hard to line up a correlation until we get more Mars data.
If the sunspot changes are warming earth (especially over the long run) as the GGWS program suggested, that would just be earth, not mars. I agree that could be happening and my article mentioned it as a possibility at the end also.
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To give another example, bloodletting was a universally accepted medical treatment for centuries. There was “universal consensus” among the “medical profession” that bloodletting was effective for virtually anything that ailed you. It now turns out that George Washington, suffering from in inflammation of the throat, was hastened to his death by having half his blood removed in about 9 to 10 hours. He may have survived the infection but he could not survive the skilled medical men.
Before I support any man-made policy to try to deal with global warming I would have to be convinced – not just be so-called “experts” with a financial or ideological ax to grind – but by reason, that humans were actually having a critical impact. Second, I would want to know what the secondary effects of any such policy would be. We have centuries of mass deaths as our guide that policy decisions to “collectivize” to “purify the blood” or to “save the eagles” can lead to human catastrophes more horrible than we had imagined.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with speculating on your blog about man-made global warming and I don’t even mind movies made showing the end of civilization if we don’t “do something” to end our despoliation of this pristine earth on which we are vile interlopers.
What I do mind is the inevitable impact that policy changes based on pseudo-science have on those that get trampled in the stampede. In those who suffer or die as the battle casualties on this little war on modernity.
It’s one thing for some uber-rich couple to live for a year without toilet paper in their fashionable Fifth Avenue flat. Try telling the millions living in the third world that flush toilets and running clean water are not in their future. It’s the difference between visiting a prison and being imprisoned. And the Eco-Left are the happy jailers.
Ask yourself: Does Mars have any atmosphere? How does it work? Shouldn't you consult one of those Martian climate models before you declare the reasons for any observed planetary temperature phenomena? That way you can claim credibility for every reason you find for Martian warming other than the Sun, stick it in your model, massage the input until you get the result you want, and then claim scientific proof for your desired explanation. Then, and only then, you can't promote unified socialist control of Martian society.
Because it refutes the claims of manmade global warming by the political "scientists" that are pushing the UN's koyoto accord global warming scam. (which is really part of the global government agenda).
What especially bothers me about the whole issue is that NOBODY is asking what this Koyoto accord does to stop global warming? Buying carbon cerdits from third world countries does NOTHING to reduce co2 levels.
It's just transfer of wealth, which BTW, passes through the hands of the unaccountable UN, which as we all know, is full of self appointed or hand picked liberal elites who run the thousands of NGO's that make up the UN.
If you thought the oil for pockets full of money program was a big UN scam, this Koyoto scam dwarfs it thousands of times over.
Correct. Now examine the information actually used by the British solar physicist to accurately predict how the sun has historically affected temperatures and weather on earth. Enlightened you will be. The light you shall see, young Skywalker.
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As for facing an uncertain future of warming or perhaps cooling: only economic opportunity will help us through that. The economic opportunities with warming could be huge for cold climates like Canada. OTOH, the opportunities from cooling would be harder to find, but we would survive it nicely if the collectivists don't kill us first.
Can you explain this in more detail? Are you saying that the sun's magnetic or sunspot influence stops at the earth? And, by the way, the claim is not being made that earth and Mars are being warmed "the same way." Just that they are both being warmed and Mars and Earth, for instance, have experienced periodic ice ages throughout their histories.. You may have noticed that the earth and Mars are not identical. For one thing, Martian poles are not covered by frozen H2O but by frozen CO2.
I jump to the conclusion that Mars has no low level water vapor to condense on nucleae created by cosmic rays because Mars has essentially no low water vapor. There's really not much more that I need to know to make that conclusion.
Yodi, I will need a link for that if you can spare the time from your meditations.
The Shuttle uses Hydrogen for its main engines and aluminum perchlorate for the SRB's. No carbon involved at all
That evil Karl Rove and the Republicans are seeking to despoil another planet.
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