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Baptist: Giuliani won't get our votes
News and Observer ^ | 3/22/07 | Yonat Shimron

Posted on 03/22/2007 4:24:28 PM PDT by pissant

A top leader in the Southern Baptist Convention predicted that former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani would not succeed in winning the votes of Southern Baptists if he were to become the Republican nominee for president in 2008.

In brief comments after a chapel service at the North Carolina legislature on Wednesday, Richard Land, the president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, said former U.S. House speaker Newt Gingrich would likely fail for the same reason.

"Three is one marriage too many for them," said Land, referring to the 16.4 million members of the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant group. Both Giuliani and Gingrich have been married three times.

A friend and adviser to President Bush, Land keeps close watch on politics as head of the commission, which studies moral, social, and religious liberty issues for the convention.

Though Southern Baptists are independent and do not necessarily follow his counsel, Land said three others who have already entered the presidential fray were more likely to win support among Southern Baptists. Those three are Sam Brownback, a Republican Senator from Kansas, Michael Huckabee, the former Republican governor of Arkansas, and Duncan Hunter, Republican Congressman from California.

As for Mitt Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, who is a Mormon, Land didn't rule him out. But, he said, the Republican hopeful has to convince the American people that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints won't dictate his policy. Land said he met with Romney recently and told him: "That's not a hill that can't be climbed. But you're going to have to climb it."

Finally, Land said he sensed that U.S. Senator John McCain was perceived as a wild card.

"People are uncomfortable with his predictability," said Land. "They tell me, 'We don't know how he's going to come down on the issues.'"


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KEYWORDS: giuliani; nonchristian; rudy
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Hopefully, he won't do much better with the Catholics either.
1 posted on 03/22/2007 4:24:31 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
Again, there are NO true conservative Republican announced candidates yet.

Fred Thompson would be the only conservative in the race if he joins it......

2 posted on 03/22/2007 4:26:19 PM PDT by traditional1
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To: traditional1

Duncan Hunter not only announced, he makes Thompson seem like a schoolgirl.


3 posted on 03/22/2007 4:27:03 PM PDT by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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"Three is one marriage too many for them," said Land, referring to the 16.4 million members of the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant group. Both Giuliani and Gingrich have been married three times.

I guess two is ok, then. Somebody stop this guy when he starts making sense. :-)

4 posted on 03/22/2007 4:28:30 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV

Heck, why stop there. Larry King for POTUS!


5 posted on 03/22/2007 4:29:35 PM PDT by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: pissant

Why would they support a nonChristian who doesn't even pretend to share their values. I could see them supporting an Orthodox Jew, but NOT a lapsed Catholic.


6 posted on 03/22/2007 4:29:50 PM PDT by Clemenza (NO to Rudy in 2008! New York's Values are NOT America's Values!)
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To: pissant

I suppose the Southern Baptists will happily vote for once-married Hillary Rodham Clinton in the upcoming election.


7 posted on 03/22/2007 4:30:33 PM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("Salvation is not free")
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To: HitmanLV
It appears that Mr. Land (whoever he is), just loves to hear himself speak. Another Donald Wildmon type idiot.
8 posted on 03/22/2007 4:30:47 PM PDT by wireman
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To: pissant
Richard Land, the president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission

Somebody appoint this guy Pope?

9 posted on 03/22/2007 4:31:10 PM PDT by jude24
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To: pissant

This isn't a problem, as he'll be getting all of the Democrat votes. Aren't you paying attention here on FR?


10 posted on 03/22/2007 4:31:20 PM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: pissant
Problem is he's polling nationally at 2% or not at all. You guys are tilting at windmills.
11 posted on 03/22/2007 4:32:03 PM PDT by veronica ('My 80% ally is not my 20% enemy.' ........Rudy reminds us what Ronald Reagan said.)
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To: Clemenza

Rudy is more than just a lapsed Catholic. He might as well be an atheist(as if I had any room to criticize, but the point still stands)


12 posted on 03/22/2007 4:32:04 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
You can not be serious! No one that I know would support her or any dem.
13 posted on 03/22/2007 4:32:41 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: pissant

BTW: Giuliani is as Catholic as Kerry and Mussolini. He's the poster boy for situational ethics.


14 posted on 03/22/2007 4:33:28 PM PDT by Clemenza (NO to Rudy in 2008! New York's Values are NOT America's Values! RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: darkangel82

Yep, as an agnostic, I have no use for those who claim to be (fill in the blank) but live their lifestyle contrary to the teachings of that creed.


15 posted on 03/22/2007 4:34:29 PM PDT by Clemenza (NO to Rudy in 2008! New York's Values are NOT America's Values! RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: Clemenza

Rudy has his work cut out for him.


16 posted on 03/22/2007 4:35:10 PM PDT by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

Hillary is not in the GOP primary last I checked.


17 posted on 03/22/2007 4:35:34 PM PDT by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: pissant
"Duncan Hunter not only announced, he makes Thompson seem like a schoolgirl."

I don't think so, but you can back the non-recognized (no name recognition) candidate like most others who are misled.....Duncan Hunter will assure a Republican loss, if he even can win the nomination to begin with...

“Since 1994 Hunter has received $40,700 from Wilkes and his companies. In 1997 Hunter and Cunningham worked to extend a multi-million dollar earmark for Wilkes’ ADCS to perform document conversion tasks for the Pentagon despite protests from the Defense Department, which claimed that ADCS’ services were not needed and a waste of resources. [3] Senator John McCain denounced the House Armed Services Committee for wasting resources in the Defense appropriations bill. One of the earmarks, worth $9.7 million, was for ADCS to convert maps of Panama into electronic documents. Hunter and Cunningham both warned, at the time, that China was planning on invading Panama and that America should have electronic documentation of the buildings in the country. They used this premise to justify their inclusion of the $9/7 million earmark that the Pentagon did not want in the appropriations bill.”

No doubt they have an agenda but the list is extensive. Obviously you know of it and must believe it is manageable

18 posted on 03/22/2007 4:35:36 PM PDT by traditional1
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To: jude24

No. Fortunately, there is only one of those.


19 posted on 03/22/2007 4:36:20 PM PDT by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: pissant; TommyDale; Keyes2000mt; GOPPachyderm; Cyrano; blackie

hmmmm.....!


20 posted on 03/22/2007 4:37:37 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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