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Spartans Overwhelmed At Thermopylae, Again
Archaeology Magazine ^ | 3-22-2007 | Eugene Borza

Posted on 03/22/2007 2:34:14 PM PDT by blam

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1 posted on 03/22/2007 2:34:18 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 03/22/2007 2:36:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
The film is technically exciting and dramatically dumb.

I guess he also read Herodotus' account in the original Greek and considers it a fascinating page turner.....

3 posted on 03/22/2007 2:39:00 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: blam

I'm not a video game person but I really enjoyed the movie.


4 posted on 03/22/2007 2:39:47 PM PDT by Firefigher NC
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To: blam
While this event actually happened....isn't this just a money making movie that does not pretend to tell the actual story?

Meadow Muffin
5 posted on 03/22/2007 2:40:46 PM PDT by rwgal
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To: blam

Do not understand these people who demand that the movie be a documentary, and get mad when it isn't.

Getting mad at it is like getting mad at the Spider-Man movie because Doctor Octopus isn't a real person.


6 posted on 03/22/2007 2:41:15 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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To: Firefigher NC

I highly suggest the 1962 version as well, "The 300 Spartans".
You can get it Best Buy on DVD for 10 bucks. One of my childhood favorites.


7 posted on 03/22/2007 2:43:21 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: blam
"Go, stranger, and tell the Spartans that we lie here, obedient to their command."

That wasn't the entire inscription on the tablet. IIRC, the Athenians were supposed to reinforce the Spartans, however the Athenians debated and decided not to send troops. To this end, the full translation of the tablet was something like this:

"Go, stranger, and tell the Spartans that we lie here, obedient to their command. The Athenians never came."
8 posted on 03/22/2007 2:44:24 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Eph 6:12)
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To: denydenydeny
like getting mad at the Spider-Man movie because Doctor Octopus isn't a real person.

As soon as I found out I started a boycott. /sarc
9 posted on 03/22/2007 2:52:31 PM PDT by Borges
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To: blam

Xerxes was very very far from being the biggest idiot in Iranian history. Somebody needs to tell Quinton Tarantino about Inalchik Kair Khan and the Padishah Mohammed of Khwarism. THAT would be a movie which Iranians would be unhappy about.


10 posted on 03/22/2007 2:56:08 PM PDT by rickdylan
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To: blam
...and let's not forget that all those arrows let loose by the Persian Army had dark shafts and feathers. They "darkened the sky", changed the Earth's albedo and contributed to Global Warming since their dark color absorbed more heat then the Earth reflected. The Spartans also contributed with all those Persian bodies decomposing in the pass and giving off CO2!

and to boot Albored was afloat at the Battle of Salamis when "Greek Fire" was a CO2 contributor. The least the Athenians could do today is buy some Carbon Credits.

I accept EU Dollars, Yen, or Canadian Coins. The Credits cost $19.95 plus shipping and handling! Make your checks payable to Young Werther and I ship in 5-7 days! I do accept Visa or Master Charge. Send me your card number and expiration date and include your SSN and Bank ID and we'll take care of you!

sorta!

11 posted on 03/22/2007 3:05:48 PM PDT by Young Werther ( and Julius Ceasar said, "quae cum ita sunt.")
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To: blam; MoochPooch; Michael81Dus; Vicomte13; az_gila; Experiment 6-2-6; henkster; CT-Freeper; ...
Europe pinglist

If you want on or off the list, go to the link for instructions. Otherwise, it won't be guaranteed that you will be put on or taken off (it still won't be 100% guaranteed, anyway, but will be much more highly probable).

12 posted on 03/22/2007 3:06:27 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: blam

If nothing else, Americans as a whole now know more about Greek history than they were ever taught in school.


13 posted on 03/22/2007 3:35:10 PM PDT by Enterprise (I can't talk about liberals anymore because some of the words will get me sent to rehab.)
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To: blam
Nitpicky jagoffs! ITS A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE!!!!!! Man what do these snobs expect?

If anyone really wants to see a great story of the 300, history channel had one called 'The Last Stand of the 300'. I was shot blue screen as the movie and also had the crutial infromation on the greek navy as well. Suitable for younger kids to understand what really happened. Just as good if not a bit better than the movie IMO.

14 posted on 03/22/2007 4:33:02 PM PDT by Bommer (Global Warming: The only warming phenomena that occurs in the Summer and ends in the Winter!)
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To: Ben Mugged

No doubt he has read Herodotus' account in Greek--Prof. Borza is an eminent ancient historian (now retired). He received his Ph.D. in 1966 from the University of Chicago and taught for many years at Penn State.


15 posted on 03/22/2007 4:52:15 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Ben Mugged
Having read it in translation, I can vouch that Herodotus is a page-turner. It's in a chatty style which is quite charming, and actually amazing when you consider that it was written around 450 B.C.

Then when the appointed day came for the marriage banquet and for Cleisthenes himself to declare whom he selected from the whole number, Cleisthenes sacrificed a hundred oxen and feasted both the wooers themselves and all the people of Sikyon; and when the dinner was over, the wooers began to vie with one another both in music and in speeches for the entertainment of the company; and as the drinking went forward and Hippocleides was very much holding the attention of the others, he bade the flute-player play for him a dance-measure; and when the flute-player did so, he danced: and it so befell that he pleased himself in his dancing, but Cleisthenes looked on at the whole matter with suspicion. Then Hippocleides after a certain time bade one bring in a table; and when the table came in, first he danced upon it Laconian figures, and then also Attic, and thirdly he planted his head upon the table and gesticulated with his legs. Cleisthenes meanwhile, when he was dancing the first and the second time, though he abhorred the thought that Hippocleides should now become his son-in-law, because of his dancing and his shamelessness, yet restrained himself, not desiring to break out in anger against him; but when he saw that he thus gesticulated with his legs, he was no longer able to restrain himself, but said: "Thou hast danced away thy marriage however, son of Tisander!" and Hippocleides answered and said: "Hippocleides cares not!" ... and hence comes this saying.

16 posted on 03/22/2007 5:40:54 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: blam

When it comes to Spartans and Persians, I will have to support the Persians. The Spartans were quasifascists, the Persians a bit more enlightened.


17 posted on 03/22/2007 5:43:36 PM PDT by Clemenza (NO to Rudy in 2008! New York's Values are NOT America's Values! RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: JamesP81
This is not what Herodotus reports:

228. The men were buried were they fell; and for these, as well as for those who were slain before being sent away by Leonidas, there is an inscription which runs thus:

"Here once, facing in fight three hundred myriads of foemen,
Thousands four did contend, men of the Peloponnese."

This is the inscription for the whole body; and for the Spartans separately there is this:

"Stranger, report this word, we pray, to the Spartans, that lying
Here in this spot we remain, faithfully keeping their laws."

This, I say, for the Lacedemonians; and for the soothsayer as follows:

"This is the tomb of Megistias renowned, whom the Median foemen,
Where Sperchios doth flow, slew when they forded the stream;
Soothsayer he, who then knowing clearly the fates that were coming,
Did not endure in the fray Sparta's good leaders to leave."

The Amphictyons it was who honoured them with inscriptions and memorial pillars, excepting only in the case of the inscription to the soothsayer; but that of the soothsayer Megistias was inscribed by Simonides the son of Leoprepes on account of guest-friendship.

18 posted on 03/22/2007 8:08:31 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: blam
Eugene N. Borza

Great more useless dribble from this idiot.

19 posted on 03/23/2007 7:50:39 AM PDT by apro
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BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Young Werther, don't give Al Gore any ideas, he might use your message in his next C-Span Global Warming speech. LOL!!! :D


20 posted on 03/23/2007 8:08:25 AM PDT by apro
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