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'Freedom Is About Authority': Excerpts From Giuliani Speech on Crime
New York Times ^ | March 22, 2007

Posted on 03/22/2007 11:28:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

...We constantly present the false impression that government can solve problems that government in America was designed not to solve. Families are significantly less important in the development of children today than they were 30 or 40 years ago. Religion has less influence than it did 30 or 40 years ago. Communities don't mean what they meant 30 or 40 years ago.

As Americans, we're not sure we share values. We're sometimes even afraid to use the word values. We talk about teaching ethics in schools -- people say, "What ethics? Whose ethics? Maybe we can't." And they confuse that with teaching of religion. And we are afraid to reaffirm the basics upon which a lawful and a decent society are based. We're almost embarrassed by it.

.... What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

... The fact is that we're fooling people if we suggest to them the solutions to these very, very deep-seated problems are going to be found in government.

... They are going to have to be just as solid and just as strong in teaching every single youngster their responsibility for citizenship. We're going to find the answer when schools once again train citizens. Schools exist in America and have always existed to train responsible citizens of the United States of America.

If they don't do that, it's very hard to hold us together as a country, because it's shared values that hold us together.

(Excerpt) Read more at query.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: electionpresident; fascistnotamerican; freedom; freedomisslavery; giuliani; ignoranceisstrength; rudy; rudygiuliani; rudytherino; stoprudy2008; warispeace
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To: Leatherneck_MT
"btw, WHO is Duncan Hunter?"
He's the nightmare of every Liberal in this Country.

ESPECIALLY the Giuliani crowd.

81 posted on 03/22/2007 12:47:14 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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To: flashbunny

I like Sean. Wish I had cable to watch his show. Thanks for the info. Ill be sure to go vote now.


82 posted on 03/22/2007 12:47:17 PM PDT by beansox (burn a fire in our hearts for the battle at hand)
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To: Admin Moderator

I hear you loud and clear, but nothing I said violates FR's posting rules or any rules of civilized debate.


83 posted on 03/22/2007 12:49:38 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Actually, I think I explained it pretty well, though no one is forced to agree with me.

I'll gladly vote for Rudy Giuliani and I think he'll make a terrific president.


84 posted on 03/22/2007 12:49:46 PM PDT by zook
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Nobody expects you to be honest at this point.


85 posted on 03/22/2007 12:50:29 PM PDT by beansox (burn a fire in our hearts for the battle at hand)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Sure seems that way don't it?


86 posted on 03/22/2007 12:51:12 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

"[Duncan Hunter is] the nightmare of every Liberal in this Country."

Only if he were elected. As it stands now, he's their dream come true.


87 posted on 03/22/2007 12:53:24 PM PDT by zook
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To: neocon1984

"I am much more concerned about Hillary taking away my freedom to earn a living, and about the islamofascists taking away my most basic freedoms. Flashbunny, you need to get a sense of perspective"

If the following took away your freedoms and liberties, which of them would you be more happy with?

1. Islamofascists
2. John Edwards
3. Hillary Clinton
4. Rudy Guiliani
5. Mitt Romney
6. John Mcain

and if you wouldn't mind, please explain the reason for your choice?


88 posted on 03/22/2007 12:54:28 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: zook

"Only if he were elected. As it stands now, he's their dream come true."

As it stands right now it's making Liberals on this forum screech bloody murder because the Vast Majority on this board supports someone of Hunters integrity and not Guiliani's.

I'm working actively to hear that screeching heard Nationwide.


89 posted on 03/22/2007 12:56:58 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: beansox; Admin Moderator

beansox, do not post to me anymore. Ever!


90 posted on 03/22/2007 12:58:12 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bwahaha!!

Giuliani lecturing other people on how the concept of family has disintegrated.

This is the guy who fought a court battle for the right to force his children to be present for sleepovers with his slut and who marches in parades with perverts performing sex acts in front of children.


91 posted on 03/22/2007 12:58:22 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Thompson/Watts in 2008!! Fear the Fred!!)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Amen, brother


93 posted on 03/22/2007 1:00:16 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Misery loves miserable company.......ask any liberal. Hunter in 08!)
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To: beansox; dirtboy
Actually I am not pushing anyone.

Looking at your profile page, there's a link to your myspace account.And surprise! surprise!

There's a link to join some 'Rudy for President' site!

Seems to me you are pushing someone.

Just not being honest about it.

94 posted on 03/22/2007 1:01:19 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Vietnam Vet! That's why I support DUNCAN HUNTER 2008!)
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To: airborne

My comments were made in regards to this thread. But thanks for checking out my myspage page.

I have a question...If Hunter is such a favorite on this board, as some on this htread have claimed..why is that they leave him off the "POPULAR KEYORDS" list????


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95 posted on 03/22/2007 1:03:57 PM PDT by beansox (burn a fire in our hearts for the battle at hand)
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To: beansox

Banned eh? : )


96 posted on 03/22/2007 1:07:59 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Misery loves miserable company.......ask any liberal. Hunter in 08!)
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To: beansox
I understand your attitude. Being a young female who has trouble reading past the headlines, you never consider anything other than what the media spoon feeds you.


Some day, when you grow up, you may find that following the other sheep just takes you to somewhere the shepards want you to go.

And often it's to the slaughter house.
97 posted on 03/22/2007 1:08:33 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Vietnam Vet! That's why I support DUNCAN HUNTER 2008!)
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To: airborne

Nicely said.


98 posted on 03/22/2007 1:10:05 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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To: flashbunny

Cherry pick? Just like the NYTimes? You're better than that.


99 posted on 03/22/2007 1:10:16 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: airborne

BUMP


100 posted on 03/22/2007 1:10:39 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Misery loves miserable company.......ask any liberal. Hunter in 08!)
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