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'Freedom Is About Authority': Excerpts From Giuliani Speech on Crime
New York Times ^ | March 22, 2007

Posted on 03/22/2007 11:28:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

...We constantly present the false impression that government can solve problems that government in America was designed not to solve. Families are significantly less important in the development of children today than they were 30 or 40 years ago. Religion has less influence than it did 30 or 40 years ago. Communities don't mean what they meant 30 or 40 years ago.

As Americans, we're not sure we share values. We're sometimes even afraid to use the word values. We talk about teaching ethics in schools -- people say, "What ethics? Whose ethics? Maybe we can't." And they confuse that with teaching of religion. And we are afraid to reaffirm the basics upon which a lawful and a decent society are based. We're almost embarrassed by it.

.... What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

... The fact is that we're fooling people if we suggest to them the solutions to these very, very deep-seated problems are going to be found in government.

... They are going to have to be just as solid and just as strong in teaching every single youngster their responsibility for citizenship. We're going to find the answer when schools once again train citizens. Schools exist in America and have always existed to train responsible citizens of the United States of America.

If they don't do that, it's very hard to hold us together as a country, because it's shared values that hold us together.

(Excerpt) Read more at query.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: electionpresident; fascistnotamerican; freedom; freedomisslavery; giuliani; ignoranceisstrength; rudy; rudygiuliani; rudytherino; stoprudy2008; warispeace
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To: beansox; flashbunny; Admin Moderator; All

When I click on your name it reads - This account has been banned or suspended.

Anybody else get this too?


181 posted on 03/22/2007 3:27:49 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Vietnam Vet! That's why I support DUNCAN HUNTER 2008!)
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To: neocon1984

If your point was that our Liberties can be in danger by any political party, including the one we currently support, then yes I guess I did.

But what I was attempting to point out is the fact that the Islamofascists, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Rudy Guiliani, Mitt Romney and John Mcain are (in my opinion), as big a threat to our Constitution as any of the others in the list.

It doesn't matter to me if the War on Terror is any of their collective strong or weak point. The Islamofascists win if America loses it's Republican Form of government.

That to these eyes, does not look like a good plan.


182 posted on 03/22/2007 3:33:32 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: airborne; Jim Robinson

So you can ban people?

Ban me.

Show me your power airborne.

Do you run this forum?


183 posted on 03/22/2007 3:33:47 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Click on 'beansox' screen name and see if she is banned.

Then get back tome.


184 posted on 03/22/2007 3:36:58 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Vietnam Vet! That's why I support DUNCAN HUNTER 2008!)
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To: airborne; Jim Robinson
Yes. I see that poster has been cut off.


Are you threatening me?
185 posted on 03/22/2007 3:39:30 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: flashbunny; Jim Robinson

"gotta love that 'big tent'."



Gotta pay careful attention to the direction from which a camel is sticking its head in under the tent. In fiscal terms this is known as an audit trail. In ballistics terms, this is what's called trajectory. In human nature, this gives what's known as a CLUE.


186 posted on 03/22/2007 3:42:01 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Show me your power airborne.

LMAOROTF!!!!

I would never ban you!

You're more entertaining than all the trolls in New York City!


187 posted on 03/22/2007 3:43:01 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Vietnam Vet! That's why I support DUNCAN HUNTER 2008!)
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To: airborne
If debate is your intent, why the snide personal attacks?

It's call distraction, airborne. If they can piss and moan enough and keep us trying to make sense of their dishonesty, we won't get anything accomplished for our candidate.

Stupid, they are not. It would be nice if one of them would just once in a while offer a bit of information, fact, anything but their victim status attitude and insults.

188 posted on 03/22/2007 3:45:36 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Show me your power, Airborne!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I love it!

I think a thick, female, Russian accent would be perfect!

LOL!!

189 posted on 03/22/2007 3:47:02 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Vietnam Vet! That's why I support DUNCAN HUNTER 2008!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; airborne
Please, this one is easy to grasp.

The poster was suspended briefly over personal insults. When the time expired, they returned with yet another personal insult: "do you think you can control yourself and your little urges??"

Cookie, anyone?

190 posted on 03/22/2007 3:48:33 PM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: AuntB; flashbunny
Come on, everybody sitting there at your computer!

Say it with a thick Russian female accent!

Repeat after me - "Show me your power, Airborne!"

Oh, yeah!!!

191 posted on 03/22/2007 3:50:44 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Vietnam Vet! That's why I support DUNCAN HUNTER 2008!)
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To: AuntB; flashbunny
Come on, everybody sitting there at your computer!

Say it with a thick Russian female accent!

Repeat after me - "Show me your power, Airborne!"

Oh, yeah!!!

192 posted on 03/22/2007 3:50:53 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Vietnam Vet! That's why I support DUNCAN HUNTER 2008!)
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To: Enosh

The poster, beansox, was harrassed and put up one hell of a fight.

My hat is off to beansox.


The rest of you can carry on your high fives and laughs for all that will get you in the long run.


193 posted on 03/22/2007 3:53:04 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: beansox

This account has been banned or suspended.




Okay

banned or suspended one of the 2


194 posted on 03/22/2007 3:56:25 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The rest of you

Remember, I'm that fool who tends to stand between Papists and Proddies, trying to make peace.

"Fool" is the operative word there... ;)

195 posted on 03/22/2007 3:59:30 PM PDT by Enosh (?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

"The poster, beansox, was harrassed and put up one hell of a fight.

My hat is off to beansox."

These are the first postings by beansox on this thread. BTW, she started this all on her own without being addressed first:

about me:

___

He is a broken record. Just ignore him. Everyone else does.

17 posted on 03/22/2007 1:54:24 PM CDT by beansox

___

To me:

*sniff* *sniff* someone get the flasherbunny a tissue...he feels peed on and suffers from tent envy. *sniff*

ROFLMAO!

19 posted on 03/22/2007 1:56:18 PM CDT by beansox
_____

When she already knew who duncan hunter was:

To: Leatherneck_MT

btw, WHO is Duncan Hunter?

21 posted on 03/22/2007 1:58:36 PM CDT by beansox

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To: Fierce Allegiance

Oh boy ...now you guys are pulling out Hitler refrences..and here I thought that was a tactic used mostly by DUmmies against Bush.


y a w n

26 posted on 03/22/2007 2:00:57 PM CDT by beansox

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To: flashbunny

Actually I am hillarious. Intentionally so.

No need to dumb down your posts, this isnt like your home turf, DU.

30 posted on 03/22/2007 2:02:05 PM CDT by beansox

________

and on and on until her "hell of a fight" included "STFU. Your an idiot" to fierece allegience.

Is that the kind of "debate and comment" you were yearning for earlier?

BTW, after she was banned and reinstated, she further violated the conduct code by attacking fierce allegience on her profile page by falsely calling him a racist.

So your hat is off to beansox. I guess that means you approve of her "debate and comment" tactics.


196 posted on 03/22/2007 4:01:08 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Enosh

Pesky tagline...


197 posted on 03/22/2007 4:01:29 PM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; flashbunny

Show me your power, Airborne!

198 posted on 03/22/2007 4:02:22 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Vietnam Vet! That's why I support DUNCAN HUNTER 2008!)
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To: flashbunny; Jim Robinson
......................................................................................................and on and on until her "hell of a fight" included "STFU. Your an idiot" to fierece allegience.

A lot worse has been posted to me over the years and I never asked for a poster to be banned.

199 posted on 03/22/2007 4:06:49 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; flashbunny; Leatherneck_MT; The Spirit Of Allegiance; All
And for those of you who prefer a younger Russian female (like I do) -

"Show me your power, Airborne!"

200 posted on 03/22/2007 4:13:14 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Vietnam Vet! That's why I support DUNCAN HUNTER 2008!)
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