Posted on 03/20/2007 1:08:26 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
cooperate with the Feds doing what? the Feds are staking out schools to see if illegals are there? they are staking out hospital emergency rooms? kitchens at restaurants?
Nobody has ever expected a city to have their police officers function as immigration authorities -- rounding up illegal aliens in hospitals, schools, etc. What Giuliani did went far beyond simply keeping NYPD officers from working as immigration agents . . . he also prohibited all city employees from even reporting illegal aliens to Federal immigration authorities whenever these people interacted with public officials in any way -- as students in schools, patients in hospitals, CRIMINALS ARRESTED BY THE POLICE, etc.
once you start having "employees" at schools and hospitals start reporting people to INS, you'll have children on the streets and people dying outside emergency rooms. Its just not a practical way to run a city with 400K illegal immigrants, that INS isn't going to do anything about deporting anyway. INS doesn't even do anything about the criminal illegals, they are processed through our justice system just like citizen criminals. how many illegals are there in California jails?
this is a federal law enforcement issue.
this is a federal law enforcement issue.
This is an excuse that Rudy Giuliani himself never even used back then. In fact, he'd be adamantly opposed to any attempt by the INS to round up all 400,000 illegal aliens in the city.
So is his take on this issue any different as a presidential candidate?
you mean as president, what would he do?
you'll likely find he is for the same broad "border enforcement" policy that all the candidates are for. I don't know that any of these candidates has any really good ideas on this topic - but let's hear what they have to say. for my 2 cents, employer sanctions is the only policy that makes sense, and can provide a dis-incentive for people to come here.
OK, so an illegal assaults me and is arrested. What is INS going to do with them?
How about charge him with a Federal crime -- or at least begin deportation proceedings after the assault charges have been adjudicated?
Thanks for posting this.
1. Any illegal alien charged with a violent crime should be processed through a military tribunal, since first and foremost he/she is an invader.
2. No illegal alien can have legal standing to file suit in U.S. civil courts.
3. Any illegal alien who faces a civil suit must have an automatic default judgement rendered against him/her -- which means they forfeit any and all assets they own to the plaintiff in the case.
Implement these three initiatives and you'll have the most docile group of illegal aliens you could ever imagine.
Mr. "Lawr and Aw-dah" ping!
FYI
Already in the "reasons I wouldn't support Rooty even if hell froze over" file.
From this thread:
Becoming American (Giuliani Record on Immigration)
To: freedomfiter2
Guiliani is a skilled attorney who is well able to argue his case.
He presented a conservative, states rights argument based on the Tenth Amendmend, saying that the states were not obliged by the Constitution to enforce Federal law.
My response was:
To: proxy_user
Does that mean they have the right to ignore criminals invading our country? Do we really want a president lawyer arguing the merits of the Constitution he just swore to uphold?
I never did get a response.
"Does that mean they have the right to ignore criminals invading our country?
That is what Giuliani is arguing it means, that states have the right not to enforce Federal law. They can if they like, but they don't have to.
"Do we really want a president lawyer arguing the merits of the Constitution he just swore to uphold?
He is assuming the Constitution is highly meritorous, and saying that this is the clear meaning of the text. Those who do not agree can file opposing briefs. The Supreme Court will decide.
Everything power-hungry Rudeo says is an anagram for "I can't wait to get my hands on all that executive power."
Rudeo's part of the larger plan to makeover the Repub party into a clone of the Dem party. Starting with throwing social conservatives off the Repub lifeboat, then trashing the Constitution, so that liberals control all facets of the US government.
That's decidedly not what the Founders intended.
Gun grabbing, abortion worshipping Rudy is a distinct threat to the two-party system, and to the system of checks and balances the Founders wisely built into our system of government (which distinguishes the US from Third World banana republics).
Giuliani's pushy, overbearing intrusion into Repub politics is the initial step in the decline of the American republic as we know it.
"Giuliani's pushy, overbearing intrusion into Repub politics is the initial step in the decline of the American republic as we know it"
Nobody has said it better!
Any chance Rudy will switch parties and run as a Democrat? Maybe for VP? What you outlined is pretty much the Dims position.
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