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End Sanctuary for Illegal Immigrants (Rudy's lawsuit protecting illegals 9/02
Capitalism Magazine ^ | 9/24/02 | Michelle Malkin

Posted on 03/20/2007 1:08:26 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky

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To: Prokopton

cooperate with the Feds doing what? the Feds are staking out schools to see if illegals are there? they are staking out hospital emergency rooms? kitchens at restaurants?


21 posted on 03/20/2007 4:59:29 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
You've deliberately mis-characterized the Giuliani administration's approach to illegal immigrants, which pretty much confirms to me that you've tossed all objectivity and principles aside in your attempt to defend him.

Nobody has ever expected a city to have their police officers function as immigration authorities -- rounding up illegal aliens in hospitals, schools, etc. What Giuliani did went far beyond simply keeping NYPD officers from working as immigration agents . . . he also prohibited all city employees from even reporting illegal aliens to Federal immigration authorities whenever these people interacted with public officials in any way -- as students in schools, patients in hospitals, CRIMINALS ARRESTED BY THE POLICE, etc.

22 posted on 03/20/2007 5:37:00 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child

once you start having "employees" at schools and hospitals start reporting people to INS, you'll have children on the streets and people dying outside emergency rooms. Its just not a practical way to run a city with 400K illegal immigrants, that INS isn't going to do anything about deporting anyway. INS doesn't even do anything about the criminal illegals, they are processed through our justice system just like citizen criminals. how many illegals are there in California jails?

this is a federal law enforcement issue.


23 posted on 03/20/2007 5:47:03 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
How about something really simple -- like requiring the police department to report ANY ILLEGAL ALIEN ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH A CRIME to the Immigration and Naturalization Service?

this is a federal law enforcement issue.

This is an excuse that Rudy Giuliani himself never even used back then. In fact, he'd be adamantly opposed to any attempt by the INS to round up all 400,000 illegal aliens in the city.

24 posted on 03/20/2007 5:54:36 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: oceanview
this is a federal law enforcement issue.

So is his take on this issue any different as a presidential candidate?

25 posted on 03/20/2007 5:55:44 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child

you mean as president, what would he do?

you'll likely find he is for the same broad "border enforcement" policy that all the candidates are for. I don't know that any of these candidates has any really good ideas on this topic - but let's hear what they have to say. for my 2 cents, employer sanctions is the only policy that makes sense, and can provide a dis-incentive for people to come here.


26 posted on 03/20/2007 6:07:31 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Alberta's Child

OK, so an illegal assaults me and is arrested. What is INS going to do with them?


27 posted on 03/20/2007 6:08:24 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

How about charge him with a Federal crime -- or at least begin deportation proceedings after the assault charges have been adjudicated?


28 posted on 03/20/2007 6:42:59 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Thanks for posting this.


29 posted on 03/20/2007 6:44:56 PM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: oceanview
Beyond employer sanctions the Alberta's Child Three-Part Plan would help immensely:

1. Any illegal alien charged with a violent crime should be processed through a military tribunal, since first and foremost he/she is an invader.

2. No illegal alien can have legal standing to file suit in U.S. civil courts.

3. Any illegal alien who faces a civil suit must have an automatic default judgement rendered against him/her -- which means they forfeit any and all assets they own to the plaintiff in the case.

Implement these three initiatives and you'll have the most docile group of illegal aliens you could ever imagine.

30 posted on 03/20/2007 6:47:18 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: areafiftyone; M. Thatcher; Hildy; Liz; kellynla; raybbr; FreeReign; FairOpinion

Mr. "Lawr and Aw-dah" ping!


31 posted on 03/20/2007 6:47:50 PM PDT by Clemenza (NO to Rudy in 2008! New York's Values are NOT America's Values!)
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To: cva66snipe; EternalVigilance

FYI


32 posted on 03/20/2007 7:40:51 PM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: The_Eaglet

Already in the "reasons I wouldn't support Rooty even if hell froze over" file.


33 posted on 03/20/2007 7:54:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you want your eco-sins forgiven, just buy Carbon Indulgences...)
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To: Clemenza; proxy_user; Liz
When talking about law and order regarding Giuliani you have to remember that he makes up some of his own laws and ignores others. He chooses which part of the Constitution he agrees with and abides by those laws. The other parts of the Constitution are for someone else.

From this thread:

Becoming American (Giuliani Record on Immigration)

To: freedomfiter2

Guiliani is a skilled attorney who is well able to argue his case.

He presented a conservative, states rights argument based on the Tenth Amendmend, saying that the states were not obliged by the Constitution to enforce Federal law.

4 posted on 02/28/2007 7:01:43 AM EST by proxy_user
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My response was:

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He presented a conservative, states rights argument based on the Tenth Amendmend, saying that the states were not obliged by the Constitution to enforce Federal law.

Does that mean they have the right to ignore criminals invading our country? Do we really want a president lawyer arguing the merits of the Constitution he just swore to uphold?

6 posted on 02/28/2007 7:15:24 AM EST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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I never did get a response.

34 posted on 03/21/2007 4:29:56 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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"Does that mean they have the right to ignore criminals invading our country?

That is what Giuliani is arguing it means, that states have the right not to enforce Federal law. They can if they like, but they don't have to.

"Do we really want a president lawyer arguing the merits of the Constitution he just swore to uphold?

He is assuming the Constitution is highly meritorous, and saying that this is the clear meaning of the text. Those who do not agree can file opposing briefs. The Supreme Court will decide.


35 posted on 03/21/2007 5:17:11 AM PDT by proxy_user
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Do we really want a president lawyer arguing the merits of the Constitution he just swore to uphold?

Everything power-hungry Rudeo says is an anagram for "I can't wait to get my hands on all that executive power."

Rudeo's part of the larger plan to makeover the Repub party into a clone of the Dem party. Starting with throwing social conservatives off the Repub lifeboat, then trashing the Constitution, so that liberals control all facets of the US government.

That's decidedly not what the Founders intended.

Gun grabbing, abortion worshipping Rudy is a distinct threat to the two-party system, and to the system of checks and balances the Founders wisely built into our system of government (which distinguishes the US from Third World banana republics).

Giuliani's pushy, overbearing intrusion into Repub politics is the initial step in the decline of the American republic as we know it.

36 posted on 03/21/2007 6:27:17 AM PDT by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: oceanview
employer sanctions is the only policy that makes sense, and can provide a dis-incentive for people to come here.

Employer sanctions would go a long way towards stopping illegal aliens from Mexico from coming here, if they are accompanied by sanctions against the schools that educate their kids for free, the hospitals that treat them for free, and the landlords that house them. Otherwise, it will merely shift a greater % of the illegal immigrant population into the "welfare recepient" category. The law of unintended consequences and all that.

Furthermore, such sanctions will have no effect on the middle easterners who are sneaking across our southern border. For that we need a fence and a well patrolled border. Duncan Hunter will give us that.
37 posted on 03/21/2007 6:43:16 AM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: Liz

38 posted on 03/21/2007 6:50:25 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Liz; All

"Giuliani's pushy, overbearing intrusion into Repub politics is the initial step in the decline of the American republic as we know it"

Nobody has said it better!


39 posted on 03/21/2007 9:50:38 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Misery loves miserable company.......ask any liberal. Hunter in 08!)
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To: Liz

Any chance Rudy will switch parties and run as a Democrat? Maybe for VP? What you outlined is pretty much the Dims position.


40 posted on 03/22/2007 3:55:52 AM PDT by Jane Austen
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